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<P><SPAN class=819534813-24032008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
believe Matt is correct. Speaking for the Central Kitsap Team, I would guess the
difference would be somewhere between 0 and 6 boats from our program. If
it's expensive and requires membership in US Sailing we likely won't be
there. CK, like many of the high school programs, is a community based
program. We have kids from modest upbringings that found even the $79
registration fee for 3 months of sailing expensive. Some of these kids
will catch the sailing fever, become successful working adults, and eventually
become leaders in the sailing community. For now, we should be drawing
them into the sport and making it accessible.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=819534813-24032008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>As for
the social ticket - it looks like a good deal for me personally, but I'm not
likely to take high school kids into the typical yacht club social
setting. We would race and head home and eat from our brown
bags.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org
[</FONT><A href="mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org"><U><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org</U></FONT></A><FONT size=2>] On Behalf
Of <A href="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net">hebardmf@myuw.net</A><BR>Sent: Sunday,
March 23, 2008 11:18 PM<BR>To: Peter Shorett<BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org">pnw-v15@myfleet.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form</P>
<P>Uhh, did we need to be members to US Sailing for SOCKS last year? What about
the CGRA One-Design? CYC Seattle One-Design? Turkey Bowl? If we did, I guess I
owe someone some $$.... But all that is beside the point. Here's the real issue
for "the fleet":</P>
<P>Can the V15 fleet get 6 boats/skippers registered, who are members of US
Sailing, prior to April 28th (after the 28th there is a $50 late fee so it
becomes ridiculously expensive then) WITHOUT having to rely on High School
Sailors to be some of the 6 boats? If the V15 fleet can, then MAYBE the V15s
will have there own start. Or, maybe V15s will start with another fleet (Tasars)
and be scored separately. If the V15ers want to be assured their own start, we
need 10 boats registered. (This is all from the NOR, paragraph 3.2). So, try to
name 10 V15ers who will do this regatta WITHOUT relying on the High School
fleets (Orcas, Port Townsend, Central Kitsap, Bainbridge, Friday Harbor, Port
Angeles)...</P>
<P>1) Dean B.<BR>2) Peter S.<BR>3) Zig
B.<BR>4)?<BR>5)?<BR>6)?<BR>7)?<BR>8)?<BR>9)?<BR>10)?</P>
<P>Kinda hard, isn't it? I like Dean's approach: make it cheaper, somehow, for
the High School kids. That may make it more likely a fleet will form in time. I
frankly, don't know how many High School Sailors (i.e., those involved in the
NWISA circuit) are members of US Sailing. Maybe there are more than I know, but
I doubt it. I do know that it will be a tough sell to get some families to fork
over $25 for the Youth US Sailing membership on top of an already hefty $75
entry fee for a TWO day event. (Read the NOR, centerboard fleets are Sat. &
Sun.).</P>
<P>This fleet relies on the High School crowd. We should advocate for them as
well.</P></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org
[mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>DB<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Monday, March 24, 2008 3:11 AM<BR><B>To:</B> PNW_V15<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P>According to the NOR, and dialogs I've had with race organizers, the 2 day
format from SOCKS was going to be retained for the centerboard classes in
order to facilitate HS sailor schedules. Only keelboats would sail for 3
days. The fact that the prices don't reflect this fact strikes me as an
oversight.</P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Dean<BR><BR>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">-----
Original Message ----<BR>From: Jim Lyle <jim@lylegroup.com><BR>To: DB
<bergstro2@yahoo.com>; PNW_V15 <pnw-v15@myfleet.org><BR>Sent:
Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:10:47 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry
Form<BR><BR>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Dean,<BR><BR>I
understand your concern. However, a youth US Sailing membership is only $25 and
only the skipper needs to apply. If the youth wants to sail in any US Sailing
championship, including the local Junior Olympics in August they will need to be
members. For a three day event that makes the entry and membership $100. No one
would complain about 3 days of golf costing that much. It's certainly cheaper
than 3 days of snow boarding. I'm not sure how you give 2 day pricing for a 3
day event.<BR><BR>I'm not involved with planning the event at all. But 3 days on
the water is not cheap and then throw in social events and $33 a day doesn't
seem unreasonable to me. I find it hard to go out to dinner for $33 per person
these days.<BR><BR>I'm completely with you that cost is something we need to
work on to promote our sport. But I'm afraid the days of $25 regattas have past
- right along with gas under $2/gallon.<BR><BR>Jim Lyle<BR><BR>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">-----
Original Message ----<BR>From: DB <bergstro2@yahoo.com><BR>To: PNW_V15
<pnw-v15@myfleet.org><BR>Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:45:31
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form<BR><BR>I would like to
explore alternative pricing. I am drafting a letter to the organizers
expressing our concerns. I would like to offer pricing alternatives.
There are a few points that are particularly troublesome.<BR><BR>1. US Sailing
membership - At most regattas, US Sailing membership is not mandatory and can be
applied towards a discount for those with membership. Here it works the
other way around and introduces considerable expense.<BR>2. 2 day pricing - It
looks like the pricing schedule is for a 3 day event.<BR>3. Youth pricing - I
would like to see a discount for youth and HS sailors.<BR><BR>I'm going to send
it off tomorrow morning. If you have any suggestions, I would like to hear
them.<BR><BR>Dean<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----<BR>From: B&B Thomas
<<A href="mailto:woodsong7@centurytel.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:woodsong7@centurytel.net">woodsong7@centurytel.net</A>><BR>To:
<A href="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net">hebardmf@myuw.net</A>; DB <<A
href="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com">bergstro2@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc: PNW_V15
<<A href="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org">pnw-v15@myfleet.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:09:19 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry
Form<BR><BR>That kind of entry fee for a two day regatta will make it very
difficult <BR>for high school sailors to participate<BR>Burke<BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: <<A href="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net" target=_blank
rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net">hebardmf@myuw.net</A>><BR>To:
"DB" <<A href="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com">bergstro2@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc:
"PNW_V15" <<A href="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org">pnw-v15@myfleet.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:58 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry
Form<BR><BR><BR>> Hmm. So the regatta entry fee for me is $135.00 b/c
I'm not a US Sailing <BR>> member....yet.
Great.<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, DB
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Attached is the entry form for the Seattle
NOOD. Can't wait to see <BR>>> everybody out
there.<BR>>><BR>>> Dean<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
<BR>>>
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