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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=433072216-24032008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>It seems maybe some further clarification might be
useful. My comments are not negativity, but rather just reflecting where
our program and several others are at this point. We are not affiliated
with any yacht club or other wealthy organization, and our kids are typically
raw beginners who have come to our program as teenagers with no previous sailing
experience. So, a student who stepped into a boat for the first time in
their lives three weeks ago doesn't have National Championships, US Sailing
membership, and competing against year round programs with paid coaches in
mind.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=433072216-24032008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I think it's great that those opportunities are out there
for kids, but we aren't there yet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=433072216-24032008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>However, I think we should want to expand the
sport so that kids like ours might ultimately get there - maybe at the
collegiate level and then someday buying their own boat, etc. That means
opening the "higher level of competition" up to all kids. Maybe if we
really want them to have membership in US Sailing we could make the total fee
for this regatta $25 for high school sailors and they could come away with both
the experience of high level competition and membership in the
organization. Know also that operating a community based sailing
program takes hundreds of hours already, so every added complication such as
raising funds for one regatta, represents a formidable
challenge.</FONT></SPAN><BR></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Peter Shorett [mailto:pshorett@gvakm.com]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 24, 2008 9:15 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Trunkey, Steve -
CKJH; DB; PNW_V15<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry
Form<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am a little surprised
that there is such negative discussion on this.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The reason for
encouraging teams to attend these types of events is to raise the level of
competition – to expose sailors to a higher level of competition. Last
year, we heavily promoted the V15 PCC’s in the Gorge. There were 20+
boats, with some of the best sailors in the area competing and teams actually
came up from <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Having been to several
HS National Championships myself and watching our kids generally get clobbered
(that’s putting in mildly), teams in the NW District have to expand their
sailing horizons’ from their local level. There have been many great
sailors pass through the ranks of the NW District; they have all become great
sailors by participating in regattas that take them to the next level like NOOD
(formerly SOCKS), Sears Cup, Bemis, Laser NA’s, etc.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Most all of your
competition (every other HS outside of the NW District) is doing this and
more. Many schools have full time paid coaches, year round sailing
conditions and top cabin competition. Certainly the NW District sailing
program is much better off in terms of regatta scheduling and clinics that it
was 5 years ago, but if teams in the District HS do not continue to embrace a
greater playing field, then development of the program will
falter.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If its about $$’s, then
consider contacting your local yacht club for sponsorship (even if they are not
a member), contact the Sailing Foundation (I bet they would be willing to
sponsor a kid who finds the cost of entry prohibitive) or better yet, put it in
your HS Sailing team budget.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hope to see you all
there. And if you need a boat to sail, let me or Burke know, he has a
trailer load of them.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Peter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org [mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Trunkey, Steve -
CKJH<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, March 24,
2008 7:45 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> DB;
PNW_V15<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Pnw-v15]
Seattle NOOD Entry Form</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I believe Matt is
correct. Speaking for the Central Kitsap Team, I would guess the difference
would be somewhere between 0 and 6 boats from our program. If it's
expensive and requires membership in US Sailing we likely won't be there.
CK, like many of the high school programs, is a community based program.
We have kids from modest upbringings that found even the $79 registration fee
for 3 months of sailing expensive. Some of these kids will catch the
sailing fever, become successful working adults, and eventually become leaders
in the sailing community. For now, we should be drawing them into the
sport and making it accessible.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As for the social
ticket - it looks like a good deal for me personally, but I'm not likely to take
high school kids into the typical yacht club social setting. We would race
and head home and eat from our brown bags.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org [</SPAN></FONT><A
href="mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org"><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">] On Behalf Of <A
href="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net">hebardmf@myuw.net</A><BR>Sent: Sunday, March 23,
2008 11:18 PM<BR>To: Peter Shorett<BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org">pnw-v15@myfleet.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Uhh, did we
need to be members to US Sailing for SOCKS last year? What about the CGRA
One-Design? CYC <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Seattle</st1:place></st1:City> One-Design? <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Turkey</st1:place></st1:country-region> Bowl? If
we did, I guess I owe someone some $$.... But all that is beside the point.
Here's the real issue for "the fleet":<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Can the V15
fleet get 6 boats/skippers registered, who are members of US Sailing, prior to
April 28th (after the 28th there is a $50 late fee so it becomes ridiculously
expensive then) WITHOUT having to rely on High School Sailors to be some of the
6 boats? If the V15 fleet can, then MAYBE the V15s will have there own start.
Or, maybe V15s will start with another fleet (Tasars) and be scored separately.
If the V15ers want to be assured their own start, we need 10 boats registered.
(This is all from the NOR, paragraph 3.2). So, try to name 10 V15ers who will do
this regatta WITHOUT relying on the High School fleets (Orcas, Port Townsend,
Central Kitsap, Bainbridge, Friday Harbor, Port
Angeles)...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">1) Dean
B.<BR>2) Peter S.<BR>3) Zig
B.<BR>4)?<BR>5)?<BR>6)?<BR>7)?<BR>8)?<BR>9)?<BR>10)?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Kinda hard,
isn't it? I like Dean's approach: make it cheaper, somehow, for the High School
kids. That may make it more likely a fleet will form in time. I frankly, don't
know how many High School Sailors (i.e., those involved in the NWISA circuit)
are members of US Sailing. Maybe there are more than I know, but I doubt it. I
do know that it will be a tough sell to get some families to fork over $25 for
the Youth US Sailing membership on top of an already hefty $75 entry fee for a
TWO day event. (Read the NOR, centerboard fleets are Sat. &
Sun.).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This fleet
relies on the High School crowd. We should advocate for them as
well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org [mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>DB<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, March 24, 2008 3:11
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> PNW_V15<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry
Form</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">According
to the NOR, and dialogs I've had with race organizers, the 2 day format from
SOCKS was going to be retained for the centerboard classes in order to
facilitate HS sailor schedules. Only keelboats would sail for 3
days. The fact that the prices don't reflect this fact strikes me as an
oversight.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dean<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Jim
Lyle <jim@lylegroup.com><BR>To: DB <bergstro2@yahoo.com>; PNW_V15
<pnw-v15@myfleet.org><BR>Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:10:47
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry
Form<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dean,<BR><BR>I understand your
concern. However, a youth US Sailing membership is only $25 and only the skipper
needs to apply. If the youth wants to sail in any US Sailing championship,
including the local Junior Olympics in August they will need to be members. For
a three day event that makes the entry and membership $100. No one would
complain about 3 days of golf costing that much. It's certainly cheaper than 3
days of snow boarding. I'm not sure how you give 2 day pricing for a 3 day
event.<BR><BR>I'm not involved with planning the event at all. But 3 days on the
water is not cheap and then throw in social events and $33 a day doesn't seem
unreasonable to me. I find it hard to go out to dinner for $33 per person these
days.<BR><BR>I'm completely with you that cost is something we need to work on
to promote our sport. But I'm afraid the days of $25 regattas have past - right
along with gas under $2/gallon.<BR><BR>Jim Lyle<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: DB
<bergstro2@yahoo.com><BR>To: PNW_V15 <pnw-v15@myfleet.org><BR>Sent:
Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:45:31 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry
Form<BR><BR>I would like to explore alternative pricing. I am drafting a
letter to the organizers expressing our concerns. I would like to offer
pricing alternatives. There are a few points that are particularly
troublesome.<BR><BR>1. <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> Sailing membership - At most
regattas, US Sailing membership is not mandatory and can be applied towards a
discount for those with membership. Here it works the other way around and
introduces considerable expense.<BR>2. 2 day pricing - It looks like the pricing
schedule is for a 3 day event.<BR>3. Youth pricing - I would like to see a
discount for youth and HS sailors.<BR><BR>I'm going to send it off tomorrow
morning. If you have any suggestions, I would like to hear
them.<BR><BR>Dean<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----<BR>From: B&B Thomas
<<A href="mailto:woodsong7@centurytel.net" target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:woodsong7@centurytel.net">woodsong7@centurytel.net</A>><BR>To:
<A href="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net" target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net">hebardmf@myuw.net</A>; DB <<A
href="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com" target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com">bergstro2@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc: PNW_V15
<<A href="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org" target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org">pnw-v15@myfleet.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:09:19 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry
Form<BR><BR>That kind of entry fee for a two day regatta will make it very
difficult <BR>for high school sailors to participate<BR>Burke<BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: <<A href="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net" target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net">hebardmf@myuw.net</A>><BR>To: "DB" <<A
href="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com" target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com">bergstro2@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc:
"PNW_V15" <<A href="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org" target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org">pnw-v15@myfleet.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:58 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry
Form<BR><BR><BR>> Hmm. So the regatta entry fee for me is $135.00 b/c
I'm not a US Sailing <BR>> member....yet.
Great.<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, DB
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Attached is the entry form for the Seattle
NOOD. Can't wait to see <BR>>> everybody out
there.<BR>>><BR>>> Dean<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
<BR>>>
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