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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The Entry Form and other information is
now more clearly organized at: <a
href="http://www.sailingworld.com/nood_regatta.jsp?location=2637">http://www.sailingworld.com/nood_regatta.jsp?location=2637</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Looking forward to seeing how many V-15’s
we can get to the regatta!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Yacht Club</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org [mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Trunkey, Steve - CKJH<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 24, 2008 10:12
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Peter Shorett; DB; PNW_V15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle
NOOD Entry Form</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>It seems maybe some further clarification
might be useful. My comments are not negativity, but rather just
reflecting where our program and several others are at this point. We are
not affiliated with any yacht club or other wealthy organization, and our kids
are typically raw beginners who have come to our program as teenagers with no
previous sailing experience. So, a student who stepped into a boat for
the first time in their lives three weeks ago doesn't have National
Championships, US Sailing membership, and competing against year round programs
with paid coaches in mind.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I think it's great that those
opportunities are out there for kids, but we aren't there yet.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>However, I think we should want
to expand the sport so that kids like ours might ultimately get there - maybe
at the collegiate level and then someday buying their own boat, etc. That
means opening the "higher level of competition" up to all kids.
Maybe if we really want them to have membership in US Sailing we could make the
total fee for this regatta $25 for high school sailors and they could come away
with both the experience of high level competition and membership in the
organization. Know also that operating a community based sailing
program takes hundreds of hours already, so every added complication such as
raising funds for one regatta, represents a formidable challenge.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Peter
Shorett [mailto:pshorett@gvakm.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 24, 2008 9:15
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Trunkey, Steve - CKJH; DB; PNW_V15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Pnw-v15] Seattle
NOOD Entry Form</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am a little surprised that there is such
negative discussion on this. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The reason for encouraging teams to attend
these types of events is to raise the level of competition – to expose
sailors to a higher level of competition. Last year, we heavily promoted
the V15 PCC’s in the Gorge. There were 20+ boats, with some of the
best sailors in the area competing and teams actually came up from <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">California</st1:State></st1:place>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Having been to several HS National
Championships myself and watching our kids generally get clobbered
(that’s putting in mildly), teams in the NW District have to expand their
sailing horizons’ from their local level. There have been many
great sailors pass through the ranks of the NW District; they have all become
great sailors by participating in regattas that take them to the next level
like NOOD (formerly SOCKS), Sears Cup, Bemis, Laser NA’s, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Most all of your competition (every other
HS outside of the NW District) is doing this and more. Many schools have
full time paid coaches, year round sailing conditions and top cabin
competition. Certainly the NW District sailing program is much better off
in terms of regatta scheduling and clinics that it was 5 years ago, but if
teams in the District HS do not continue to embrace a greater playing field,
then development of the program will falter.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If its about $$’s, then consider
contacting your local yacht club for sponsorship (even if they are not a
member), contact the Sailing Foundation (I bet they would be willing to sponsor
a kid who finds the cost of entry prohibitive) or better yet, put it in your HS
Sailing team budget.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hope to see you all there. And if
you need a boat to sail, let me or Burke know, he has a trailer load of them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org [mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Trunkey, Steve - CKJH<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 24, 2008 7:45
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> DB; PNW_V15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle
NOOD Entry Form</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>I believe Matt is correct. Speaking for the Central Kitsap
Team, I would guess the difference would be somewhere between 0 and 6 boats
from our program. If it's expensive and requires membership in US Sailing
we likely won't be there. CK, like many of the high school programs, is a
community based program. We have kids from modest upbringings that found
even the $79 registration fee for 3 months of sailing expensive. Some of
these kids will catch the sailing fever, become successful working adults, and
eventually become leaders in the sailing community. For now, we should be
drawing them into the sport and making it accessible.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>As for the social ticket - it looks like a good deal for me
personally, but I'm not likely to take high school kids into the typical yacht
club social setting. We would race and head home and eat from our brown
bags.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org [</span></font><a
href="mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org"><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org</span></font></a><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>] On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net">hebardmf@myuw.net</a><br>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:18 PM<br>
To: Peter Shorett<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org">pnw-v15@myfleet.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Uhh, did
we need to be members to US Sailing for SOCKS last year? What about the CGRA
One-Design? CYC <st1:City w:st="on">Seattle</st1:City> One-Design? <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Turkey</st1:country-region></st1:place>
Bowl? If we did, I guess I owe someone some $$.... But all that is beside the
point. Here's the real issue for "the fleet":<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Can the
V15 fleet get 6 boats/skippers registered, who are members of US Sailing, prior
to April 28th (after the 28th there is a $50 late fee so it becomes
ridiculously expensive then) WITHOUT having to rely on High School Sailors to
be some of the 6 boats? If the V15 fleet can, then MAYBE the V15s will have there
own start. Or, maybe V15s will start with another fleet (Tasars) and be scored
separately. If the V15ers want to be assured their own start, we need 10 boats
registered. (This is all from the NOR, paragraph 3.2). So, try to name 10
V15ers who will do this regatta WITHOUT relying on the High School fleets
(Orcas, Port Townsend, Central Kitsap, Bainbridge, Friday Harbor, Port
Angeles)...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>1) Dean
B.<br>
2) Peter S.<br>
3) Zig B.<br>
4)?<br>
5)?<br>
6)?<br>
7)?<br>
8)?<br>
9)?<br>
10)?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Kinda
hard, isn't it? I like Dean's approach: make it cheaper, somehow, for the High
School kids. That may make it more likely a fleet will form in time. I frankly,
don't know how many High School Sailors (i.e., those involved in the NWISA
circuit) are members of US Sailing. Maybe there are more than I know, but I doubt
it. I do know that it will be a tough sell to get some families to fork over
$25 for the Youth US Sailing membership on top of an already hefty $75 entry
fee for a TWO day event. (Read the NOR, centerboard fleets are Sat. &
Sun.).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>This
fleet relies on the High School crowd. We should advocate for them as well.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org [mailto:pnw-v15-bounces@myfleet.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>DB<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 24, 2008 3:11
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> PNW_V15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle
NOOD Entry Form</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>According
to the NOR, and dialogs I've had with race organizers, the 2 day format from
SOCKS was going to be retained for the centerboard classes in order to
facilitate HS sailor schedules. Only keelboats would sail for 3
days. The fact that the prices don't reflect this fact strikes me as an
oversight.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dean<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>----- Original Message
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From: Jim Lyle <jim@lylegroup.com><br>
To: DB <bergstro2@yahoo.com>; PNW_V15 <pnw-v15@myfleet.org><br>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:10:47 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dean,<br>
<br>
I understand your concern. However, a youth US Sailing membership is only $25
and only the skipper needs to apply. If the youth wants to sail in any US
Sailing championship, including the local Junior Olympics in August they will
need to be members. For a three day event that makes the entry and membership
$100. No one would complain about 3 days of golf costing that much. It's
certainly cheaper than 3 days of snow boarding. I'm not sure how you give 2 day
pricing for a 3 day event.<br>
<br>
I'm not involved with planning the event at all. But 3 days on the water is not
cheap and then throw in social events and $33 a day doesn't seem unreasonable
to me. I find it hard to go out to dinner for $33 per person these days.<br>
<br>
I'm completely with you that cost is something we need to work on to promote
our sport. But I'm afraid the days of $25 regattas have past - right along with
gas under $2/gallon.<br>
<br>
Jim Lyle<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>----- Original Message ----<br>
From: DB <bergstro2@yahoo.com><br>
To: PNW_V15 <pnw-v15@myfleet.org><br>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:45:31 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form<br>
<br>
I would like to explore alternative pricing. I am drafting a letter to
the organizers expressing our concerns. I would like to offer pricing
alternatives. There are a few points that are particularly troublesome.<br>
<br>
1. <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region></st1:place>
Sailing membership - At most regattas, US Sailing membership is not mandatory
and can be applied towards a discount for those with membership. Here it
works the other way around and introduces considerable expense.<br>
2. 2 day pricing - It looks like the pricing schedule is for a 3 day event.<br>
3. Youth pricing - I would like to see a discount for youth and HS sailors.<br>
<br>
I'm going to send it off tomorrow morning. If you have any suggestions, I
would like to hear them.<br>
<br>
Dean<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----<br>
From: B&B Thomas <<a href="mailto:woodsong7@centurytel.net"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:woodsong7@centurytel.net">woodsong7@centurytel.net</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net">hebardmf@myuw.net</a>; DB <<a
href="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com">bergstro2@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Cc: PNW_V15 <<a href="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org">pnw-v15@myfleet.org</a>><br>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:09:19 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form<br>
<br>
That kind of entry fee for a two day regatta will make it very difficult <br>
for high school sailors to participate<br>
Burke<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: <<a href="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:hebardmf@myuw.net">hebardmf@myuw.net</a>><br>
To: "DB" <<a href="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:bergstro2@yahoo.com">bergstro2@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Cc: "PNW_V15" <<a href="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:pnw-v15@myfleet.org">pnw-v15@myfleet.org</a>><br>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:58 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form<br>
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> Hmm. So the regatta entry fee for me is $135.00 b/c I'm not a US
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> member....yet. Great.<br>
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> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, DB wrote:<br>
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>> Attached is the entry form for the Seattle NOOD. Can't wait to
see <br>
>> everybody out there.<br>
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>> Dean<br>
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