making light teams carry weight seems like crap to me..maybe we should make heavy teams carry weight on the low side in heavy air...to make things fair. <br><br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/12/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">
Natasha Baker</b> <<a href="mailto:natashabaker@hotmail.com">natashabaker@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p>Hi everyone, </p>
<p>The Bay Area Babes are back from the Hinman! We'd like to thank eveyone who helped us prepare to compete- especially Kevin Richards, Holt Condon, Dave Kenny, Sarah Deeds, Alex Mountjoy and Blaine Pedlow! We had to carry 150 pounds of water to make the weight minimum, didn't get last and as it turns out were the first all-womens team at the Hinman. Results, cool photos and some podcasts are at
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<p><a href="http://www.ussailing.org/championships/adult/ustrc/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.ussailing.org/championships/adult/ustrc/</a></p>
<p>We also learned that there's a lot of support at the national level to get and keep women in team racing. So the Bay Area Babes will be putting together a standing womens' team for some upcoming team race events over the next year. Please email me with your contact info/whether you want to skipper or crew/your size/and general team race experience. There is also an interest at the national level in keeping the west coast team racing going so please contact me, Kevin or Holt if you want to be added to the team racing list emails as we will need people to practice against!!!
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<p>Thanks again for everyone's help!</p>
<p>Natasha Baker</p>
<p>(415) 596-0143</p>
<p><br><br> </p></div>
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<div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">From: <i>"sally madsen" <<a href="mailto:sailsally@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
sailsally@gmail.com</a>></i><br>To: <i><a href="mailto:sfv15@myfleet.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">sfv15@myfleet.org</a></i><br>Subject: <i>Re: Rules Question, Answered</i>
<br>Date: <i>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:54:34 -0700</i><br>
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><br>Here's another look at the windward mark situation, courtesy of Jim.<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br><span class="gmail_quote">
From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Jim Barkow</b> <<a href="mailto:jim.barkow@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<div></div>jim.barkow@gmail.com
<div></div></a>><br>Date: Jul 28, 2006 4:03 PM<br>Subject: Duck, Duck...???<br>To: <a href="mailto:vanguard15@list.sailingsource.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vanguard15@list.sailingsource.com
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</font><div><span style="font-weight: bold;"><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Room to Duck? </font></span></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><br clear="all">
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</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Guys- wanted to follow up on the discussion last night about boats coming into the starboard tack boats at the mark. <br>
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><br>
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">This issue in question: Room to tack vs Room to Duck? who has rights??? <br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><b><font size="2">Rules
<div></div> Questions:<br>
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<p><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><b><font size="2">Simple Answer: </font></b><font size="2">If there
<div></div>is overlap from the Port Windward to Port Leeward boat, then the PW
<div></div>boat has room to duck. If there is no overlap, then PL can call for
<div></div>room to tack and tack, as long as there is enough time for the PW to
<div></div>keep clear, by tacking or ducking. If the PL boat ducks without any
<div></div>hail, they still have to give room for the PW to duck as well. </font><b><font size="2"> </font></b>
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<p><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Logic: </span> (or lack there of)<br>
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<p><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font style="font-weight: bold;" size="2">18.2 (a) </font><font style="font-weight: bold;" size="2">Giving Room; Keeping Clear<br>
<div></div></font><span style="font-weight: bold;"> OVERLAPPED – BASIC RULE</span><br>
</font></p><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">a. <font size="2">When boats are <span style="text-decoration: underline;">overlapped</span> the outside boat (PL) shall give the inside boat
</font></font><div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font size="2"></font></font></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font size="2"> (PW) room to round or pass the mark or
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">obstruction</span>, and if the inside boat has
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font size="2"> right of way the outside boat shall also keep clear. Other parts of rule 18
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font size="2"> contain exceptions to this rule. </font><br>
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><b><i><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">
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<div></div>Then we look to the definition of Obstruction: <br>
<div></div></span></span></span></span>Obstruction</i></b> An object that a boat could not pass without changing course
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">substantially, if she were sailing directly towards it and one of her hull lengths from it.
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">An object that can be safely passed on only one side and an area so designated by the
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">sailing instructions are also obstructions. However, a boat racing is not an obstruction
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">to other boats unless they are required to keep clear of her <span style="font-weight: bold;">(as in the case of Port Starboard)</span>, give her room or, if rule 21
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">applies, avoid her.<br>
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<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">If no Overlap:</font></span><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><br>
</font></p><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">- Rule 15 requires the boat that acquires right-of-way to give enough
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">space to the other boat to act promptly in a seamanlike way in the
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">prevailing conditions to keep clear. <br>
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<div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
JB Editorial: </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<div></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">First of all, it's never
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">realistic to say 'stop coming in from port'. Our courses are short, and
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">getting shorter. We have 20 boats on the line and the starboard most
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">starting boat tends to hold onto the controlling position as long as
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">possible- especially because our wind has consistently been 5-7 degrees
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">farther south than normal. So inevitably, a first row starter on the
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">port end is almost always going to be 2 tacking the 1st beat. It's not
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">their fault- no one ever wants to get into that situation- it happens.
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">(It's also been strange that poor starts have been rewarded with the
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">chance to do an early duck of the starboard boats and get out the right
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">side early- I think Teddy and AJ lived off that last night...)<br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">
<div></div>Things to Sail by: </span><br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">1) avoid collisions<br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">2) standard Hails:<br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> "Room to Duck" - hailed by PW boat when overlapped and needing to Duck. Assumes there is overlap.
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</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> "Starboard Boat- Tacking"- hailed by PL boat with ample time for PW to react
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</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> "No- <span style="font-weight: bold;">NEED TO TACK!!!!</span>" -
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">hailed by PL boat, regardless of rights, to avoid collision due to
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">boats PW does not see, wind shift, etc... this hail trumps all.<br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">remember, these boats can tack in about 1-2 seconds, and less than a
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">boat length- on a average night. In this situation, in my opinion,
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">'slow tacks' are not a reasonable excuse. <br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">2) be <span style="font-weight: bold;">vocal</span>, early and
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">often. If you see the situation happening, start
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">talking early. If you were fouled, be vocal and clear, never personal.
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">The person to blame usually becomes clear. If there are boat(s) above
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">you, you must hail early so everyone knows you have to tack. <br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">3) if you are starboard, think about '<span style="font-weight: bold;">defending your lane
</span>' (not
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">hunting) to give yourself a little gap. What this means is, if you are
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">are close to layline, and you see a port boat approaching that is going
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">to tack short or lee bow you, bear off slightly- 5-10 degrees or so, to
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">build up speed. 2 things will happen- either the port boat will think
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">that you angle is poor and he can't tack there to still make it so
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">he'll duck you, or if he does tack, you will have speed and angle to
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">separate yourself from them and sail around them. Very effective if
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">there are more boats on port, inside. <br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">4) angles change quickly at the weather mark. The last 100 yards is the
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">shiftiest part of our course by far- it ridiculous at times how fast
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">the angles change. Don't assume you can cross someone. But remember this rule:
<br>
</font></font><div></div></span><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><b>Rule 16.1</b>: When a right-of-way boat changes course, she shall
<div></div> give the other boat room to keep clear.</font></font><br>
</font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><b>Rule 16.2</b>: In addition, when after the starting signal a port-tack
<div></div> boat is keeping clear by sailing to pass astern of a starboard-tack boat,
<div></div> the starboard-tack boat shall not change course if as a result the port-tack
<div></div> boat would immediately need to change course to continue keeping clear.<br>
<div></div>This clears a port boat that was crossing a starboard boat in the event
<div></div>of sudden wind shift and requires the starboard boat to keep clear.<br>
<div></div></font></font><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><a href="http://www.ussailing.org/member/library/urrs20041110.htm" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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<div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><a href="http://www.ussailing.org/member/library/urrs20041110.htm" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
</a></font></font></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><a href="http://www.ussailing.org/member/library/urrs20041110.htm" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://www.ussailing.org/member/library/urrs20041110.htm
</a></font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><br>
</font></font><div></div><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">- so you can't head up into a boat in a huge shift without giving them room to be clear.
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<div></div><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">
<div></div>Other rules of Interest: </span><br>
<div></div></span></font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.ussailing.org/member/library/urrs20041110.htm" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<div></div>
<div></div>
<div></div></a>Tacking inside the 2 boat circle:<br>
<div></div><a href="http://www.ussailing.org/championships/youth/youthchamp//2004/da_rulz.asp" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.ussailing.org/championships/youth/youthchamp//2004/da_rulz.asp
<div></div></a><br>
<div></div><br>
<div></div>Overview w diagrams:<br>
<div></div><a href="http://www.ussailing.org/championships/youth/youthchamp//2002/graphics/dp2.gif" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.ussailing.org/championships/youth/youthchamp//2002/graphics/dp2.gif
<div></div></a><br>
<div></div><br>
<div></div>How well do you know the rules?<br>
<div></div><a href="http://www.speedandsmarts.com/Rules_Test/87_Rules_IQ_Test.pdf" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.speedandsmarts.com/Rules_Test/87_Rules_IQ_Test.pdf</a><br>
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<div></div>Feel free to correct me if or comment as needed. See ya all this weekend!!!<br>
<div></div><br>
<div></div></span></font>-- <br>
</font><div></div>
<div><span><font style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Jim Barkow</font></span></div>
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