<div dir="ltr"><div>Ok, I have no idea where I got my earlier statement cuz I just looked back at the SIs and they are crystal clear on this subject BUT I do agree with Chad, since we run college style races and a 720 will take you from 1st to last pretty quickly, perhaps a 360 is a more appropriate penalty for our fleet. I also think it's important to note here that you must be CLEAR of all other boats while making your penalty turn i.e. you can not spin while on the reach "leg" to the offset, you need to get clear of boats next to you, and boat coming from behind you that might want to go high. This is just an example that I have seen, but of course it applies to all legs and all POS.<br>
</div>Maddy<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Chad Gray <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chad.gray@gmail.com" target="_blank">chad.gray@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Section 8 of the NOR/SIs on the <a href="http://Vanguard15.org" target="_blank">Vanguard15.org</a> homepage seems to say 720 at any mark including starting pin. <a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5-ubTdb22F3V3psNFRzLUNTcGc/preview?pli=1" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5-ubTdb22F3V3psNFRzLUNTcGc/preview?pli=1</a> where are you seeing 360 at the start?</div>
<div><br></div><div>I would like to throw out there, however, the possibility of making it a one circle penalty in all cases. This would be a change to the fleet SIs so would obviously require discussion and general consensus.</div>
<div><br></div><div>My reasoning:</div><div>(1) Given the shortness of our races and compression of the fleet, a 360 is a pretty huge penalty, typically 3 to 5 places. That's a sufficient deterrent. A 720 is probably double that, or puts you so far back that the rest of the race is catch up</div>
<div>(2) We're struggling to get compliance with people accepting their penalties, and we clearly don't have a well functioning off the water protest system (though I wholeheartedly agree that we should). A 360 penalty is less severe, and therefore less likely to be ignored entirely</div>
<div>(3) There is always confusion about whether it's one or two circles, whether you're at 4-3-2 boat lengths, whether the guy spinning did one or two circles etc... Are you spinning for a foul or a hit mark? A flat one circle would be simpler.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm not suggesting that we water down the rules just because people refuse to follow them, just that we should reconsider the 2 circle penalty and decide whether that makes sense for our racing format and level of seriousness</div>
<div><br></div><div>Chad</div><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Madeline Eustis <<a href="mailto:mfeustis@gmail.com" target="_blank">mfeustis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Small question/possible correction:<br><br></div>My reading of the SIs indicates that fouls at marks and finish mandate a 720, whereas all other fouls (including the start) are only a 360.<br>
<br></div>Comments?<br><br></div>Maddy<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Claire Hulse <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:claire.hulse@gmail.com" target="_blank">claire.hulse@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Fleet:<div><br></div><div>I think we can all agree that it's best to
resolve any differences on the water by spinning circles when you foul
(reminder: 2 circles for fouls at a mark or start/finish, 1 circle
elsewhere). </div>
<div><br></div><div>That said, the scorers / co-chairs have been hearing
grumbling / pleading when entering scores about how some boats
aren't spinning when fouling. </div><div><br></div><div>Instead of
pleading your case while we're entering scores, <b>please consider using
the 3 min justice system, and reporting the results to the scorers /
co-chairs</b>. This is a good explanation of 3 min justice: <a href="http://www.sailingeducation.com/3minute.htm" target="_blank">http://www.sailingeducation.com/3minute.htm.</a>
To avoid burdening the fleet with too much procedure and formality,
this is the ONLY mechanism for resolving penalties off the water (other
than voluntarily withdrawing from a race). We will amend the SIs to
reflect this long-standing fleet practice. <br>
</div><div><div><br></div><div>Relatedly, if you help out with a rescue or drive a
rescue boat (see the SIs), please let the scorers know which races you
assisted in. </div><div><br></div></div><div>Yours in the Corinthian spirit,</div>
<div><br>Claire<br></div>Thurs Night Co-Chair<div><div><img><br></div><div>and <br><br>Steve<br></div><div>Tues Night Co-Chair<br></div></div></div>
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