Pete,
While I think a Santana 22 is a wonderful little boat, it is not an
Express 27 or Moore 24.
Pat
On Aug 16, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Pete Trachy wrote:
> Double Handed Lightship:
>> My thought on the spinnaker series was that it would attract the
> more experienced members of our fleet. Many of them already do
> some short handed sailing and have ocean racing experience. When I
> did the DH lightship it seemed like a very appropriate race for the
> Santana 22. We almost had a one design start with the boats
> entered. Granted there are days out there when I would turn around
> and not finish the race. However, the same can be said for Knox/
> Bonita and it didn't seem to be an issue for that race to be on our
> schedule. I also would like to point out that both the express 27
> and moore 24 classes have very sucessfully included doublehanded
> racing in their main fleet series. Both fleets see large turnouts
> for the 3 bridge and the double handed farallones. As a class I
> believe we have a responsibility to educate less knowledgeable and
> experienced members. However, I think that we also have to
> recognize them as adults who can make their own decisions.
>> Anyway, given our showing last year I would be disappointed not to
> see it included. I will advocate for it, but if the people taking
> part in a spinnaker series do not want to see the race included I
> can live with that.
>> Knox/Bonita:
>> I am personally against including this race as only 3 boats showed
> up for it the last time I did it. It was right in the middle of
> our white sails series if I remember correctly. I feel that is
> part of what led to light turnout and it is why I have deliberately
> chosen races that are not at the same time as any of our ODCA
> races. This year Knox/Bonita will the be held on the same day as
> our season closer. I think this is a great race, but the timing is
> problematic and I do not think it should be considered for the series.
>> Big Daddy:
>> I thought this was a great opportunity to get in some close one
> design spinnaker racing. The fleet has turned out well for the
> pumpkin in the past, and I thought this race made sense as well.
> If we don't include the big daddy, I would like to see some other
> event with multiple races included to keep the series balanced
> between longer distance races and round the buoys action. The
> wheeler regatta is one option.
>> 2nd Half Opener:
>> Not my favorite race, but I could be convinced include it and even
> show up. it would be nice to have something happening in July. We
> seem to have had good turnout historically. One additional concern
> is that it seems Nationals might be within one weekend of it next
> year, if not a direct conflict.
>> Throwouts:
>> Perhaps we should have 5 races in the series and give one
> throwout? That would let everyone skip there least favorite race
> and give a little more flexibility for the inevitable scheduling
> conflict.
>> With that in mind I would propose:
>> Big Daddy (course racing on Saturday only)
> Double Handed Lightship
> Vallejo Race
> 2nd Half Opener (distance race on Saturday only)
> Great Pumpkin (course racing on Saturday only)
>>> With regards to what pat said about the light turnout. I feel that
> in order to make this happen we really do need a minimum of 5 boats
> on the line. i think that if a race is going to attract less than
> 5 it should be canceled. Hopefully this would put the screws on
> people to really be serious about their commitment to show up or
> not. I'm open to other ideas here, but I really hated showing up
> to race against 1 or 2 other boats last year.
>> I like the idea of a shorthanded series, but am personally not
> willing to put it together. From prior experiences fleet moral
> suffers when people are spread too thin and turnout is low. I'd
> like to see a successful spinnaker series before I extended to try
> to put together an additional even. However, I would certainly
> support anybody who wanted to take it on themself. it is something
> that tom mcintyre and tom montoya over in alameda might be
> interested in.
>> Pete
>>> On 8/16/07, Nancy & Pat Broderick <broderic at sonic.net> wrote:
> Michael,
>> There are several other races that are not SSS which might be
> interesting and very possible doublehanded possibilities in our boats:
>> 1. Rites of Spring. Some Santanas already sail this OYC early-
> in-the
> season doublehanded race - usually in March.
> 2. Jazz Cup. One-way trip on Labor Day to Benecia. Much
> like the
> Vallejo races; you just don't turn left into the Mare Island Strait.
>> However, I'm reluctant to get too much on the racing table. While a
> lot of boats have signed up for this year's YRA series, only a few
> show up to race. Last year the Santanas barely made the 5-boat
> minimum to stay qualified for YRA One Design racing. It isn't the
> number of boats that sign up initially; it's the number that sail 50%
> or more of the fleet-scheduled YRA Championship races the fleet's
> signed up for. That's how a boat "qualifies" and YRA requires a
> minimum of 5 boats "qualifying" in order be a One Design Fleet. I
> don't think this 5-boat "qualified" requirement is clearly
> understood. It isn't the number who sign up; it's the number that
> actually race.
>> YRA is talking about setting up an HDA "small boat" division that
> would compete on ODCA closed course (round the buoys) races in order
> to keep older 22 - 27 (Ranger 23 through something like Catalina 27)
> foot boats sailing in YRA. If the Santanas don't "qualify" 5 boats,
> that's probably where they'll end up if they want to sail YRA races.
>> It's similar to what ODCA has done for the "heavy 30s" - Newport 30,
> Cal 29, Cat 30 (PHRF 180) fleets whose participation fell below the
> minimum 5-boat requirement. The HDA has the "SF 30 Fleet" that
> provides the same thing for boats rating around PHRF 135.
>> Often the Santana spinnaker races are also very light. While these
> races don't count either toward the YRA Championship (the Santana 22
> "white sail" races) nor toward "qualifying" for YRA purposes (only
> races counted toward YRA championship points count), Race Committees
> are understandably upset when only one or two - or none - show up to
> race - either for white sail or spinnaker races.
>> Pat
>>>> On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Michael Andrews - MTC wrote:
>> > Really good input Pat. I wasn't aware that there were so many
> > opportunities to race short handed in the Bay but, now knowing there
> > are, I would like to see a short handed series made up of just
> > those in
> > the Bay races.
> >
> > Michael
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