[Santana 22] Buying or adopting a free Tuna - what does it cost?

Tue Mar 8 14:03:22 EST 2016

Somebody grab this boat!
Yes some people have spent serious $$ on their boats and they are beautiful boats.  We have done the budget program on the mighty Pariah and had a lot of fun, and done OK in a couple of races (that is, when we come out-been breeding our own crew but they're still too small to do foredeck).  We're at the other end of the spectrum 
Pariah budget 2006-present:
Boat purchase-not free, but very cheap
Trailer-$400 (found 2 at that price, actually)
Sails-$2500 in 2007 from Ullman.  Slightly used race sails come up up all the time (think 300-500 each).  Sounds like the sails on this boat might be fine
Standing rigging$700ish from Svenden's Rig Shop (hurry before it's torn down for condos)
Rudder-ours wiggles around.  Not ideal, but there are articles on the website about how to fix.  I'll tackle this some day
Bottom with layers of old ablative paint-drop cloth, chemical stripper, putty knife from home depo, $100.  Not pretty, not the fastest, but in the more breeze, the less a perfect bottom matters.  Will tackle doing this right some day, Berkleley Marine Center lets you work on the boat.  Buy a longboard and WEST System supplies from Jamestown Distributors.
Chain plates-make sure they're OK but if not, that's an easy fix.  Svendsen's can fabricate.  If this is a formerly active race boat, they may have been swapped already.
Keep bolts-Pariah's were done.  This boat's may be done as well, if it was actively raced before.  
Re-rigging-buy a spool of Spectra or Vecran and make your own.  Easy to learn how to splice, kind of fun.  You get to sit in the cockpit of your new boat all day on a nice spring day and fiddle around.
Deck soft spots are easy to fix with thickened WEST, a drill motor, allen wrench, and a little tape.  Another fun project on a nice day with a couple of beers in the cooler.
Outboard-2 stroke long shafts are hard to find.  Just take this one, swap out the plugs and see if it fires up.  If not, take it to Outboard Motor Shop in Oakland just over the Park Street Bridge from Alameda.  They swapped out all the fuel lines-Ethanol in modern gas eats the old rubber lines.  I spent $350 once and after that just change the plug every year.
Pariah does need a paint job- look horrible but we've had  a lot of fun, and gotten 3rd or 4th in every Nationals in which we've sailed.
The Santana 22 is a perfect DIY boat.  Somebody grab this boat and come sailing

      From: Kristy Lugert <klugert at mac.com>
 To: tuna at myfleet.org 
 Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 10:45 PM
 Subject: [Santana 22] Buying or adopting a free Tuna - what does it cost?

I'd hate to see an enthusiastic and unsuspecting newcomer take on an abandoned/free boat only to find out what it really costs to go racing in a OD fleet, even if you do the work yourself (IF you can find a place to do it which is near impossible now). 
1) Bottom with layers of old paint and a reef with tropical fish swimming under it- At least $1500 and probably a WHOLE lot more if there are blisters to repair and lots of layers to sand off.  The yard will charge you to haul it, set it, store by the day, and $100/hour to work on it (sand, paint, repair) which you are not allowed to do yourself due to the toxicity factor. Bottoms are BIG BUCKS 2) Racing sails - Used $2000, New - $3000-$40003) Standing rigging - $1500-$20004) Running rigging - $1000+ (check the sheaves while you're at it)5) Rudder post sitting in water (better plan on $1000+ for a new one).6) Trailer for after you do all that work - $500 for a yard trailer to $3000+ for one you can actually use)
Things to check, and these are just the biggies, I'm sure there's a lot I'm forgetting:- rotten bulkheads- soft spots in the deck around the chain plates or anywhere else hardware is fastened to the deck- Corrosion on the boom, rudder post, mast step, and chain plates- Rusty keel bolts- Unsupported deck under the mast - it will be dipped near the mast step if weak- Rusty keel (haul it before you adopt it or risk the big bucks)- Loose keel (it shouldn't move, and you'll need to haul it to check this out)- Old rusty standing rigging won't keep the rig up in the summer winds- Leaky or frozen thru-hulls (you'll need to replace or fill them - $600)- electrical, don't worry about it, you'll want it to burn down by the time you get to the end of this list.

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 21:14:59 -0800
From: Russell Whitaker <russell.whitaker at gmail.com>
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On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Kristy Lugert <klugert at mac.com> wrote:

Free (neglected) boats are very very expensive people.
Pay the 3-6k and get one that doesn't need 8-10 to be competitive.

Kristy

Did you not see the scare quotes I placed around the word "free"? We
all know there's no
such thing as a "free" boat, Kristy, thanks for your concern. Yes, the
boat needs TLC. I made
that abundantly clear.

Russell

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  4. Re: Santana 22 #5150 free to a loving home (Eric Pederson)
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 09:13:14 -0800
From: deborah fehr <dfehr777 at gmail.com>
To: Santana 22 list <tuna at myfleet.org>
Subject: [Santana 22] Big Daddy Regatta on Saturday!
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Hello Racers!!!

The Big Daddy Regatta is this Saturday! We currently have 5 boats signed
up, so we have our own start. This regatta counts toward the Santana 22
season standings.

The link below will take you to the signup page:

http://www.regattanetwork.com/event/12111

Hope to see you out there!

Cheers!
Deb Fehr
Meliki #5194
Co-fleet Captain
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 11:03:58 -0800
From: Russell Whitaker <russell.whitaker at gmail.com>
To: "tuna at myfleet.org" <tuna at myfleet.org>
Subject: [Santana 22] Santana 22 #5150 free to a loving home
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So, I've got a tuna I bought 4 years ago that I've sailed a shamefully small
number of times (twice in beercan races) at Brisbane marina. Anna knows the
boat (at least the boat she recommended I buy, and on which she was the
tactician [and the one knowledgeable racer, actually]) for a SPYC beercan race
in 2011.

I haven't sailed her in a couple years, and last visited her a few months ago
to clean up the topside and lament my neglect. I stopped having a diver
do quarterly cleaning a year ago, and have been paying Brisbane $200/month
to do nothing with it. I'm sick of letting her rot at dock, and on the
last couple
of occasions I've put out feelers on my personal "friends" social network, I
discovered who among my network felt no compunctions about wasting my
time.

So, I'm finally letting the Tuna fleet here know I'm giving her away, "free"
(you all know what "free boat" means) to someone familiar with Tunas.

It has a Pineapple mainsail with one set of reef points put in by
Peninsula (yes, I
know, but we weren't planning to race the boat). Also a lightweight spinnaker
and some other miscellaneous sail inventory.

The boat really needs a bottom job and, frankly, could really use freeboard
and deck repaint as well.

I will be available on Saturday morning from 0800 when the Brisbane
harbormaster office opens. If you want this boat, show up, confirm you'll
take it, and I'll sign the title over to you in the harbormaster's office after
they've approved your paperwork (which you will have downloaded and
filled out before heading down to see me; we'll coordinate)

No, I won't give the boat away and keep paying the dock fees; I don't want
to deal with the 30-day notice requirement (I called them just now and
confirmed that). You take the slip if you want the boat.

No, I won't part out the boat and give or sell you pieces like sail inventory.
Don't ask.

Make this easy for me and the boat's yours.

Thanks, Russell

--
Russell Whitaker
http://twitter.com/OrthoNormalRuss

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 11:22:53 -0800
From: Anne-Carlijn Alderkamp <acalderkamp at gmail.com>
To: Russell Whitaker <russell.whitaker at gmail.com>
Cc: "tuna at myfleet.org" <tuna at myfleet.org>
Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Santana 22 #5150 free to a loving home
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This is a good deal for anyone stoked to get into beercan racing in the
Southbay. Best beercan races on the bay on Tuesday nights! If I can make it
I'll be your crew!

When Russell bought this boat it had a good hull and a decent sail
inventory. I'm sure it needs some TLC now, but this could be a great boat
if you want boat ownership a try,

Cheers,
Anna

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Russell Whitaker <
russell.whitaker at gmail.com> wrote:

So, I've got a tuna I bought 4 years ago that I've sailed a shamefully
small
number of times (twice in beercan races) at Brisbane marina. Anna knows the
boat (at least the boat she recommended I buy, and on which she was the
tactician [and the one knowledgeable racer, actually]) for a SPYC beercan
race
in 2011.

I haven't sailed her in a couple years, and last visited her a few months
ago
to clean up the topside and lament my neglect. I stopped having a diver
do quarterly cleaning a year ago, and have been paying Brisbane $200/month
to do nothing with it. I'm sick of letting her rot at dock, and on the
last couple
of occasions I've put out feelers on my personal "friends" social network,
I
discovered who among my network felt no compunctions about wasting my
time.

So, I'm finally letting the Tuna fleet here know I'm giving her away,
"free"
(you all know what "free boat" means) to someone familiar with Tunas.

It has a Pineapple mainsail with one set of reef points put in by
Peninsula (yes, I
know, but we weren't planning to race the boat). Also a lightweight
spinnaker
and some other miscellaneous sail inventory.

The boat really needs a bottom job and, frankly, could really use freeboard
and deck repaint as well.

I will be available on Saturday morning from 0800 when the Brisbane
harbormaster office opens. If you want this boat, show up, confirm you'll
take it, and I'll sign the title over to you in the harbormaster's office
after
they've approved your paperwork (which you will have downloaded and
filled out before heading down to see me; we'll coordinate)

No, I won't give the boat away and keep paying the dock fees; I don't want
to deal with the 30-day notice requirement (I called them just now and
confirmed that). You take the slip if you want the boat.

No, I won't part out the boat and give or sell you pieces like sail
inventory.
Don't ask.

Make this easy for me and the boat's yours.

Thanks, Russell

--
Russell Whitaker
http://twitter.com/OrthoNormalRuss
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 12:13:05 -0800
From: Eric Pederson <eric.pederson at gmail.com>
To: Anne-Carlijn Alderkamp <acalderkamp at gmail.com>
Cc: "tuna at myfleet.org" <tuna at myfleet.org>
Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Santana 22 #5150 free to a loving home
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This piques my interest.  Curious how much work it will need.  cheers

Eric

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Anne-Carlijn Alderkamp <
acalderkamp at gmail.com> wrote:

This is a good deal for anyone stoked to get into beercan racing in the
Southbay. Best beercan races on the bay on Tuesday nights! If I can make it
I'll be your crew!

When Russell bought this boat it had a good hull and a decent sail
inventory. I'm sure it needs some TLC now, but this could be a great boat
if you want boat ownership a try,

Cheers,
Anna

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Russell Whitaker <
russell.whitaker at gmail.com> wrote:

So, I've got a tuna I bought 4 years ago that I've sailed a shamefully
small
number of times (twice in beercan races) at Brisbane marina. Anna knows
the
boat (at least the boat she recommended I buy, and on which she was the
tactician [and the one knowledgeable racer, actually]) for a SPYC beercan
race
in 2011.

I haven't sailed her in a couple years, and last visited her a few months
ago
to clean up the topside and lament my neglect. I stopped having a diver
do quarterly cleaning a year ago, and have been paying Brisbane $200/month
to do nothing with it. I'm sick of letting her rot at dock, and on the
last couple
of occasions I've put out feelers on my personal "friends" social
network, I
discovered who among my network felt no compunctions about wasting my
time.

So, I'm finally letting the Tuna fleet here know I'm giving her away,
"free"
(you all know what "free boat" means) to someone familiar with Tunas.

It has a Pineapple mainsail with one set of reef points put in by
Peninsula (yes, I
know, but we weren't planning to race the boat). Also a lightweight
spinnaker
and some other miscellaneous sail inventory.

The boat really needs a bottom job and, frankly, could really use
freeboard
and deck repaint as well.

I will be available on Saturday morning from 0800 when the Brisbane
harbormaster office opens. If you want this boat, show up, confirm you'll
take it, and I'll sign the title over to you in the harbormaster's office
after
they've approved your paperwork (which you will have downloaded and
filled out before heading down to see me; we'll coordinate)

No, I won't give the boat away and keep paying the dock fees; I don't want
to deal with the 30-day notice requirement (I called them just now and
confirmed that). You take the slip if you want the boat.

No, I won't part out the boat and give or sell you pieces like sail
inventory.
Don't ask.

Make this easy for me and the boat's yours.

Thanks, Russell

--
Russell Whitaker
http://twitter.com/OrthoNormalRuss
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 14:43:58 -0800
From: Russell Whitaker <russell.whitaker at gmail.com>
To: Anne-Carlijn Alderkamp <acalderkamp at gmail.com>
Cc: "tuna at myfleet.org" <tuna at myfleet.org>
Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Santana 22 #5150 free to a loving home
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I've gotten a number of questions about this boat from different
people today, which I'll address here:

1.) "Are you giving away a trailer with the boat?" -- No. If I'd had a
trailer, I'd have pulled the boat from the
water a long, long time ago, and would likely have actually _used_ the
boat in a meaningful way. No trailer.

2.) "Does it have an outboard?" -- Yes. It's a Nissan 5.0HP longshaft.
I got rid of the old 3.5HP outboard when
I first bought the boat because it felt underpowered motoring in and
out of the seawall-protected parts of the
marina, and I wanted to counter the sometimes-considerable ebb and
flood currents at the harbor entrance.
No, you're not going to fire up the motor when you take the boat,
because it's been been started in a couple of
years. You'll ruin it, if you can even get it started (I'm assuming
the spark plug is shot by now, for example.)
You need to strip it, clean it, and lube it. But it exists if you want
to use it properly. Or you can sell the damn
thing.

3.) "Does it sail?" -- It did last time I sailed it. I'd clean her up,
lubricate some winches, etc.

4.) "Do you have photos?" -- I have lots. But the most recent I have
are from last spring when I renewed my
BoatUS insurance policy on it. Three photos from March 2015; I'll send
them to you privately if you're interested.

5.) "Will you deliver it to me at X?" -- Haha... no. "Free" boat.

6.) "Can I take it out first before I decide?" -- Nope. "Free" boat.
Or, yes, but I'll charge you my normal
professional engineer's consulting fees for my time. I bill hourly, 4
hours minimum. And I'm not cheap.

7.) "I'm interested but I can't see you this weekend, can you hold it
for me?" -- No, sorry. If it really takes me
two weeks to get this albatross from around my neck, I'm going to
offer it to the USN (I still have a couple of
buddies there, I think) as a gunnery practice target.

Russell

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Anne-Carlijn Alderkamp
<acalderkamp at gmail.com> wrote:

This is a good deal for anyone stoked to get into beercan racing in the
Southbay. Best beercan races on the bay on Tuesday nights! If I can make it
I'll be your crew!

When Russell bought this boat it had a good hull and a decent sail
inventory. I'm sure it needs some TLC now, but this could be a great boat if
you want boat ownership a try,

Cheers,
Anna

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Russell Whitaker
<russell.whitaker at gmail.com> wrote: