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<DIV>OK folks, the votes are in, though there wern't a lot of them. My thanks to those who responded, apologies to those who didn't get notice of the poll in time to respond.</DIV>
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<DIV>Our fleet appears to have a slight preference to unrestrict the start line, the Olsons have a strong preference in that direction.</DIV>
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<DIV>So may it be so! As it turns out, Doug McVae already posted a notice at the club this morning to that effect, and Gail Yando got the SI's updated on the web site this afternoon. In case any of you still miss the info (since I know some are just sailing to the start without checking in at the club first), we'll also remind people over the VHF (you do all have one, right?).</DIV>
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<DIV>Oh yeah, some of you wanted to know about the dinner Saturday night. It starts at 6PM, the menu is attached.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jan Grygier</DIV>
<DIV>Carlos</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=hydrophilos@earthlink.net href="mailto:hydrophilos@earthlink.net">Jan Grygier and Patti Boucher</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc: </B><A title=fmvk1@sonic.net href="mailto:fmvk1@sonic.net">Frank Van Kirk</A>; <A title=tom.nemeth@there.net href="mailto:tom.nemeth@there.net">Tom Nemeth</A>; <A title=mdkeith@pacbell.net href="mailto:mdkeith@pacbell.net">RYC Douglas McVae</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 8/8/2007 9:52:10 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Santana 22] FW: Re: Start/finish line restricted at Nationals?</DIV>
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<DIV>Oh well, another fleet email after all, hope none of you are feeling spammed...</DIV>
<DIV>Mike Kennedy has proposed a modification to the SI's, to unrestrict the Start/Finish line (see bottom of this thread).</DIV>
<DIV>Our PRO Doug McVae would be fine with making that change, so are the two organizers of the Olson fleet (the other cc:s).</DIV>
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<DIV>As I see it, the good thing about unrestricting the S/F line is it makes passing easier, and now we are up to 23 boats that will be important.</DIV>
<DIV>The bad thing is it apparently requires the RC to wait until all boats have finished before starting the next race, which will prolong the proceedings somewhat. (I don't think they have the crew available to put the start line to leeward and the finish to windward, which otherwise might be preferable).</DIV>
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<DIV>Please get back to me ASAP whether you would like the start/finish line restricted or not; if there is a preponderance of the votes for changing it (i.e. more than half, but don't hold me to a specific percentage) we will do so and will inform the fleet by all appropriate means (including yet another email, I'm afraid). </DIV>
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<DIV>To avoid escalating the spam factor, please just reply to me (not all), unless you have more cogent arguments than Mike and I put forth and want to share them. </DIV>
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<DIV>Jan Grygier </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mdkeith@pacbell.net href="mailto:mdkeith@pacbell.net">Douglas McVae</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 8/8/2007 5:01:50 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Start/finish line restricted at Nationals?</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Jan</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">If you want to unrestrict the st/fin line, it is ok with me. We will just wait till both fleets finish before starting next race.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Jan Grygier and Patti Boucher <hydrophilos@earthlink.net><BR>To: Pete Trachy <pete@tolachi.com>; RYC Douglas McVae <mdkeith@pacbell.net><BR>Cc: Michael Kennedy <michaelkennedy05@yahoo.com>; Michael Andrews - MTC <michaelan@mtcorp.com><BR>Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 9:06:37 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Start/finish line restricted at Nationals?<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Will think about it. Doug, any thoughts from your end as PRO?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>jan</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=pete@tolachi.com href="mailto:pete@tolachi.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Pete Trachy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=hydrophilos@earthlink.net href="mailto:hydrophilos@earthlink.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>hydrophilos@earthlink.net</A>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc: </B><A title=michaelkennedy05@yahoo.com href="mailto:michaelkennedy05@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Michael Kennedy</A>; <A title=michaelan@mtcorp.com href="mailto:michaelan@mtcorp.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Michael Andrews - MTC</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 8/7/2007 1:35:30 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Santana 22] Three more days till Nationals - 21 entries and counting</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2>Jan,<BR><BR>It seems like Mike has a good point. What do you think? BTW, incredible job on the turnout. I am very impressed.<BR><BR>Pete<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/7/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Michael Kennedy </B><<A href="mailto:michaelkennedy05@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>michaelkennedy05@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I notice that the Sailing Instructions has the Start/Finish line set to weather of the leeward mark and is restricted. As you may have experienced in past regattas, this has the effect of creating a significant obstacle in the middle of the racecourse, severely limiting the playing field. Rather than playing shifts and covering competitors, boats are forced to sail around the start/finish line, limiting tactical options. In a big fleet like we'll have this weekedn, this will take away many lanes, and lead to parades around the racecourse with no passing opportunities, decisions to make about covering those behind, etc. etc. For a Championship regatta, I beleive that all tactical options should be on the table, with a wide open playing field. </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">A restricted starting line may be necessary at a regatta with many classes of handicap boats where the race committee may be confused by different bots in different classes crossing the start/finish line when not starting or finishing; however, there are only 2 classes, both one design, racing this weekend, and I'm sure we'll have a very capable RC that will be able to keep all the participants straight. </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I strongly recommend that the Start/Finish line either be moved to leeward of the leeward mark, or that the Start/Finish line not be restricted. If the Start/Finish line were moved to leeward of the leeward mark, then the current courses (which all finish upwind) could be maintined by having the finish at the weather mark, and the markset boat take finishes at the top of the race course. If that stretches the RC too thin, then the Start/Finish could be left in place, bit not restructed, so that the boats could use the entire racecourse (especially imprtant in a big fleet like we'll have this weekend). </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Thanks</DIV>
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