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    Thats what I meant by 'nominal'.   I was told the 1/8" 1x19 has a
    larger diameter than a 1/8" compacted wire.  Let me google it. ... 
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    oops, looks like I'm wrong based on:
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    Just a couple datapoints, ... don't use this for your decision. <br clear="none">
    says 4mm compacted is ~same strength, 16% smaller diameter and 10%
    stretchier than 3/16 1x19 .<br clear="none">
    says 4mm compacted is ~same diameter, 30% stronger and 24% lower
    stretch than 5/32 1x19<br clear="none">
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    why the stretch and strength differences are not the same doesn't
    make sense to me...<br clear="none">
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    <div class="yiv4024790260yqt6101631895" id="yiv4024790260yqt04342"><div class="yiv4024790260moz-cite-prefix" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11193">On 3/21/2016 10:59 AM, Michael Kennedy
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            diameter have the same wind resistance???</span></div>
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                  Michael Sporer <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv4024790260moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:pasta514@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:pasta514@hotmail.com"><pasta514@hotmail.com></a><br clear="none">
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv4024790260moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:tuna@myfleet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:tuna@myfleet.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11194">tuna@myfleet.org</a> <br clear="none">
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                  Monday, March 21, 2016 9:19 AM<br clear="none">
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                  Re: [Santana 22] Replacement Tuna rigging - Dyform or
                  compacted wire, anyone?<br clear="none">
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                  <div id="yiv4024790260yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458581517315_5697"> I was
                    under the impression that for a given nominal wire
                    size the compacted version had the same
                    cross-section area of steel, same strength, same
                    weight and same stiffness, but had lower wind
                    resistance.  That way in a pinch you can swap
                    between the two types without worrying about any
                    differences in the really important parameters.<br clear="none">
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                      <div class="yiv4024790260moz-cite-prefix">On
                        3/20/2016 11:02 PM, Jan Grygier wrote:<br clear="none">
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                    <div id="yiv4024790260yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458581517315_5755"><span id="yiv4024790260yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458581517315_5762" style="font-size:12.0pt;"><span id="yiv4024790260yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458581517315_5761" style="">Fellow
                          Tuners,<br clear="none">
                          In a nasty blast a few weeks ago on the Bay,
                          Carlos' mast suddenly went sideways, outers
                          parted at the top and inner at the bottom. 
                          Amazingly mast is fine (and so are all the
                          crew).  So I need to replace Carlos' standing
                          rigging, and someone suggested Dyform or
                          "compacted strand" wire.  They are both SS
                          wire but pack a bit more steel into the same
                          diameter (I think) and are therefore somewhat
                          stronger and less stretchy.<br clear="none">
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                          Does anyone have experience with either of
                          these - or know whether they are legal, for
                          that matter?  For reference, this is what I
                          see in the current rules (first entry is in
                          main body, second entry is in checklist):<br clear="none">
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                      <div class="yiv4024790260MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"><span style="">14.<span style="font:7.0pt;">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Wire rigging shall
                          be of the same dimensions and materials as
                          supplied by factory except as to lower
                          shrouds.<span style="">  </span>Turnbuckles
                          must be not less than factory specifications
                          as to dimensions and materials.<span style=""> 
                          </span>No rod rigging is permitted.<span style="">  </span>It is suggested that
                          boats sailing in heavy air replace the factory
                          supplied 5/32” lower shrouds with 3/16” wire.</span></div>
                      <div class="yiv4024790260MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">B.<span style="">        
                          </span><span style="text-transform:uppercase;">Standing
                            Rigging</span></span></div>
                      <span style="font-size:10.0pt;">1.<span style="">        
                        </span>All rigging is 5/32” SS wire. Lower
                        shrouds 3/16” max. No rod rigging<br clear="none">
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                      Thanks much,<br clear="none">
                      Jan Grygier<br clear="none">
                      Carlos, Hull 320/sail 5020<br clear="none">
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