<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11171"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11170">3/16 and 5/32 diameter are minimum measurements, so narrower wire (even for same strength) wouldn't be class legal</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11167"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11097" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11096"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11095"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11168"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11169"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Sporer <pasta514@hotmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Michael Kennedy <michaelkennedy05@yahoo.com>; "tuna@myfleet.org" <tuna@myfleet.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 21, 2016 1:03 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Santana 22] Replacement Tuna rigging - Dyform or compacted wire, anyone?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11094"><br><div id="yiv4024790260"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11093">
Thats what I meant by 'nominal'. I was told the 1/8" 1x19 has a
larger diameter than a 1/8" compacted wire. Let me google it. ...
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oops, looks like I'm wrong based on:
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Just a couple datapoints, ... don't use this for your decision. <br clear="none">
says 4mm compacted is ~same strength, 16% smaller diameter and 10%
stretchier than 3/16 1x19 .<br clear="none">
says 4mm compacted is ~same diameter, 30% stronger and 24% lower
stretch than 5/32 1x19<br clear="none">
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why the stretch and strength differences are not the same doesn't
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<div class="yiv4024790260yqt6101631895" id="yiv4024790260yqt04342"><div class="yiv4024790260moz-cite-prefix" id="yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458586926560_11193">On 3/21/2016 10:59 AM, Michael Kennedy
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diameter have the same wind resistance???</span></div>
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</font><hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Michael Sporer <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv4024790260moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:pasta514@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:pasta514@hotmail.com"><pasta514@hotmail.com></a><br clear="none">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, March 21, 2016 9:19 AM<br clear="none">
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Re: [Santana 22] Replacement Tuna rigging - Dyform or
compacted wire, anyone?<br clear="none">
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<div id="yiv4024790260yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458581517315_5697"> I was
under the impression that for a given nominal wire
size the compacted version had the same
cross-section area of steel, same strength, same
weight and same stiffness, but had lower wind
resistance. That way in a pinch you can swap
between the two types without worrying about any
differences in the really important parameters.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv4024790260moz-cite-prefix">On
3/20/2016 11:02 PM, Jan Grygier wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div id="yiv4024790260yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458581517315_5755"><span id="yiv4024790260yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458581517315_5762" style="font-size:12.0pt;"><span id="yiv4024790260yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458581517315_5761" style="">Fellow
Tuners,<br clear="none">
In a nasty blast a few weeks ago on the Bay,
Carlos' mast suddenly went sideways, outers
parted at the top and inner at the bottom.
Amazingly mast is fine (and so are all the
crew). So I need to replace Carlos' standing
rigging, and someone suggested Dyform or
"compacted strand" wire. They are both SS
wire but pack a bit more steel into the same
diameter (I think) and are therefore somewhat
stronger and less stretchy.<br clear="none">
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Does anyone have experience with either of
these - or know whether they are legal, for
that matter? For reference, this is what I
see in the current rules (first entry is in
main body, second entry is in checklist):<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv4024790260MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"><span style="">14.<span style="font:7.0pt;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Wire rigging shall
be of the same dimensions and materials as
supplied by factory except as to lower
shrouds.<span style=""> </span>Turnbuckles
must be not less than factory specifications
as to dimensions and materials.<span style="">
</span>No rod rigging is permitted.<span style=""> </span>It is suggested that
boats sailing in heavy air replace the factory
supplied 5/32” lower shrouds with 3/16” wire.</span></div>
<div class="yiv4024790260MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">B.<span style="">
</span><span style="text-transform:uppercase;">Standing
Rigging</span></span></div>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;">1.<span style="">
</span>All rigging is 5/32” SS wire. Lower
shrouds 3/16” max. No rod rigging<br clear="none">
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Jan Grygier<br clear="none">
Carlos, Hull 320/sail 5020<br clear="none">
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