I believe Matt is correct. Speaking for the Central Kitsap Team, I would
guess the difference would be somewhere between 0 and 6 boats from our
program. If it's expensive and requires membership in US Sailing we
likely won't be there. CK, like many of the high school programs, is a
community based program. We have kids from modest upbringings that
found even the $79 registration fee for 3 months of sailing expensive.
Some of these kids will catch the sailing fever, become successful
working adults, and eventually become leaders in the sailing community.
For now, we should be drawing them into the sport and making it
accessible.
As for the social ticket - it looks like a good deal for me personally,
but I'm not likely to take high school kids into the typical yacht club
social setting. We would race and head home and eat from our brown
bags.
-----Original Message-----
From: pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org [mailto:pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org
<mailto:pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org> ] On Behalf Of hebardmf at myuw.net
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:18 PM
To: Peter Shorett
Cc: pnw-v15 at myfleet.org
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form
Uhh, did we need to be members to US Sailing for SOCKS last year? What
about the CGRA One-Design? CYC Seattle One-Design? Turkey Bowl? If we
did, I guess I owe someone some $$.... But all that is beside the point.
Here's the real issue for "the fleet":
Can the V15 fleet get 6 boats/skippers registered, who are members of US
Sailing, prior to April 28th (after the 28th there is a $50 late fee so
it becomes ridiculously expensive then) WITHOUT having to rely on High
School Sailors to be some of the 6 boats? If the V15 fleet can, then
MAYBE the V15s will have there own start. Or, maybe V15s will start with
another fleet (Tasars) and be scored separately. If the V15ers want to
be assured their own start, we need 10 boats registered. (This is all
from the NOR, paragraph 3.2). So, try to name 10 V15ers who will do this
regatta WITHOUT relying on the High School fleets (Orcas, Port Townsend,
Central Kitsap, Bainbridge, Friday Harbor, Port Angeles)...
1) Dean B.
2) Peter S.
3) Zig B.
4)?
5)?
6)?
7)?
8)?
9)?
10)?
Kinda hard, isn't it? I like Dean's approach: make it cheaper, somehow,
for the High School kids. That may make it more likely a fleet will form
in time. I frankly, don't know how many High School Sailors (i.e., those
involved in the NWISA circuit) are members of US Sailing. Maybe there
are more than I know, but I doubt it. I do know that it will be a tough
sell to get some families to fork over $25 for the Youth US Sailing
membership on top of an already hefty $75 entry fee for a TWO day event.
(Read the NOR, centerboard fleets are Sat. & Sun.).
This fleet relies on the High School crowd. We should advocate for them
as well.
________________________________
From: pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org [mailto:pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org]
On Behalf Of DB
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:11 AM
To: PNW_V15
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form
According to the NOR, and dialogs I've had with race organizers, the 2
day format from SOCKS was going to be retained for the centerboard
classes in order to facilitate HS sailor schedules. Only keelboats
would sail for 3 days. The fact that the prices don't reflect this fact
strikes me as an oversight.
Dean
----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Lyle <jim at lylegroup.com>
To: DB <bergstro2 at yahoo.com>; PNW_V15 <pnw-v15 at myfleet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form
Dean,
I understand your concern. However, a youth US Sailing membership is
only $25 and only the skipper needs to apply. If the youth wants to sail
in any US Sailing championship, including the local Junior Olympics in
August they will need to be members. For a three day event that makes
the entry and membership $100. No one would complain about 3 days of
golf costing that much. It's certainly cheaper than 3 days of snow
boarding. I'm not sure how you give 2 day pricing for a 3 day event.
I'm not involved with planning the event at all. But 3 days on the water
is not cheap and then throw in social events and $33 a day doesn't seem
unreasonable to me. I find it hard to go out to dinner for $33 per
person these days.
I'm completely with you that cost is something we need to work on to
promote our sport. But I'm afraid the days of $25 regattas have past -
right along with gas under $2/gallon.
Jim Lyle
----- Original Message ----
From: DB <bergstro2 at yahoo.com>
To: PNW_V15 <pnw-v15 at myfleet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:45:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form
I would like to explore alternative pricing. I am drafting a letter to
the organizers expressing our concerns. I would like to offer pricing
alternatives. There are a few points that are particularly troublesome.
1. US Sailing membership - At most regattas, US Sailing membership is
not mandatory and can be applied towards a discount for those with
membership. Here it works the other way around and introduces
considerable expense.
2. 2 day pricing - It looks like the pricing schedule is for a 3 day
event.
3. Youth pricing - I would like to see a discount for youth and HS
sailors.
I'm going to send it off tomorrow morning. If you have any suggestions,
I would like to hear them.
Dean
----- Original Message ----
From: B&B Thomas <woodsong7 at centurytel.net>
To: hebardmf at myuw.net; DB <bergstro2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: PNW_V15 <pnw-v15 at myfleet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:09:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form
That kind of entry fee for a two day regatta will make it very
difficult
for high school sailors to participate
Burke
----- Original Message -----
From: <hebardmf at myuw.net>
To: "DB" <bergstro2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "PNW_V15" <pnw-v15 at myfleet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form
> Hmm. So the regatta entry fee for me is $135.00 b/c I'm not a US
Sailing
> member....yet. Great.
>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, DB wrote:
>>> Attached is the entry form for the Seattle NOOD. Can't wait to see
>> everybody out there.
>>>> Dean
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