Section 8 of the NOR/SIs on the Vanguard15.org homepage seems to say 720 at any mark including starting pin. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5-ubTdb22F3V3psNFRzLUNTcGc/preview?pli=1 where are you seeing 360 at the start?
I would like to throw out there, however, the possibility of making it a one circle penalty in all cases. This would be a change to the fleet SIs so would obviously require discussion and general consensus.
My reasoning:
(1) Given the shortness of our races and compression of the fleet, a 360 is a pretty huge penalty, typically 3 to 5 places. That's a sufficient deterrent. A 720 is probably double that, or puts you so far back that the rest of the race is catch up
(2) We're struggling to get compliance with people accepting their penalties, and we clearly don't have a well functioning off the water protest system (though I wholeheartedly agree that we should). A 360 penalty is less severe, and therefore less likely to be ignored entirely
(3) There is always confusion about whether it's one or two circles, whether you're at 4-3-2 boat lengths, whether the guy spinning did one or two circles etc... Are you spinning for a foul or a hit mark? A flat one circle would be simpler.
I'm not suggesting that we water down the rules just because people refuse to follow them, just that we should reconsider the 2 circle penalty and decide whether that makes sense for our racing format and level of seriousness
Chad
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On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Madeline Eustis <mfeustis at gmail.com> wrote:
> Small question/possible correction:
>> My reading of the SIs indicates that fouls at marks and finish mandate a 720, whereas all other fouls (including the start) are only a 360.
>> Comments?
>> Maddy
>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Claire Hulse <claire.hulse at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Fleet:
>>>> I think we can all agree that it's best to resolve any differences on the water by spinning circles when you foul (reminder: 2 circles for fouls at a mark or start/finish, 1 circle elsewhere).
>>>> That said, the scorers / co-chairs have been hearing grumbling / pleading when entering scores about how some boats aren't spinning when fouling.
>>>> Instead of pleading your case while we're entering scores, please consider using the 3 min justice system, and reporting the results to the scorers / co-chairs. This is a good explanation of 3 min justice: http://www.sailingeducation.com/3minute.htm. To avoid burdening the fleet with too much procedure and formality, this is the ONLY mechanism for resolving penalties off the water (other than voluntarily withdrawing from a race). We will amend the SIs to reflect this long-standing fleet practice.
>>>> Relatedly, if you help out with a rescue or drive a rescue boat (see the SIs), please let the scorers know which races you assisted in.
>>>> Yours in the Corinthian spirit,
>>>> Claire
>> Thurs Night Co-Chair
>>>> and
>>>> Steve
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