I like the Scombridae idea, and let's think about
taking in both the folks who want to sail and the
folks who might just want to come to a
picnic. I'm not sure, but I think there are a
number of areas on TI where there are picnic
tables or places to congregate -- not necessarily
right near the docks, but within walking
distance. How about trying to organize a get
together where those who might want to drive over
and have a picnic can come and those who want to
sail that day can get there as well?
As far as white sails races go, I strongly
believe we need to keep a good white sails series
going. The Islander 36 fleet was dead until they
resurrected themselves as a non-spinnaker
fleet. I think this is true of many older boats.
At 08:51 PM 8/16/2007, Jan Grygier and Patti Boucher wrote:
>Hi, me again.
>I don't know why I forgot about Rites of Spring,
>it's a great event (shorthanded in mid-March)
>and we had lots of sign-ups, good participation
>last couple years - but I think it is best to
>keep it white sails only to let the less
>experienced folks get their feet wet at the start of the season.
>>I think the potential races have multiple
>characteristics that we like or not: buoy vs.
>long distance; party vs. none; out the gate vs.
>in-bay; included in YRA fee vs. extra fee;
>normally windy vs. often windless. The
>"included in YRA" has been one reason I voted
>for Knox/Bonita, but if the boats won't come it ain't worth it.
>>I've never made 3-bridge fiasco but it seems to
>be pretty popular, perhaps we should think about
>including that one. If we added it to Pete's
>list we'd be back to 7 races with (I'd
>recommend) 2 throwouts, remember Vallejo goes both ways.
>>Or Wheeler is another option, we haven't had any
>luck getting folks to come out to any winter
>once-a-month series. Wheeler is one weekend at
>the end of March, Big Daddy one weekend near the
>beginning, I guess we gotta choose cos two
>regattas plus one shorthanded in March is too much.
>>Jan "Carlos" Grygier
>P.S. Just had another thought - how about
>combining our annual picnic with our last
>Scombridae Sunday on Sep 23, i.e. hold it at TI
>and have a big potluck on the beach or
>docks? Or do folks want to find another weekend
>to go to Angel Island as we have normally done?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:broderic at sonic.net>Nancy & Pat Broderick
>To: <mailto:pete at tolachi.com>Pete Trachy
>Cc: <mailto:tuna at myfleet.org>List Satanna 22
>Sent: 8/16/2007 11:50:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [Santana 22] 2008 Spinnaker Series
>>Pete,
>>While I think a Santana 22 is a wonderful little
>boat, it is not an Express 27 or Moore 24.
>>Pat
>>On Aug 16, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Pete Trachy wrote:
>>>Double Handed Lightship:
>>>>My thought on the spinnaker series was that it
>>would attract the more experienced members of
>>our fleet. Many of them already do some short
>>handed sailing and have ocean racing
>>experience. When I did the DH lightship it
>>seemed like a very appropriate race for the
>>Santana 22. We almost had a one design start
>>with the boats entered. Granted there are days
>>out there when I would turn around and not
>>finish the race. However, the same can be said
>>for Knox/Bonita and it didn't seem to be an
>>issue for that race to be on our schedule. I
>>also would like to point out that both the
>>express 27 and moore 24 classes have very
>>sucessfully included doublehanded racing in
>>their main fleet series. Both fleets see large
>>turnouts for the 3 bridge and the double handed
>>farallones. As a class I believe we have a
>>responsibility to educate less knowledgeable
>>and experienced members. However, I think that
>>we also have to recognize them as adults who can make their own decisions.
>>>>Anyway, given our showing last year I would be
>>disappointed not to see it included. I will
>>advocate for it, but if the people taking part
>>in a spinnaker series do not want to see the
>>race included I can live with that.
>>>>Knox/Bonita:
>>>>I am personally against including this race as
>>only 3 boats showed up for it the last time I
>>did it. It was right in the middle of our
>>white sails series if I remember correctly. I
>>feel that is part of what led to light turnout
>>and it is why I have deliberately chosen races
>>that are not at the same time as any of our
>>ODCA races. This year Knox/Bonita will the be
>>held on the same day as our season closer. I
>>think this is a great race, but the timing is
>>problematic and I do not think it should be considered for the series.
>>>>Big Daddy:
>>>>I thought this was a great opportunity to get
>>in some close one design spinnaker racing. The
>>fleet has turned out well for th X¿!x*(ÿÿÿÿlZb
>>e pumpkin in the past, and I thought this race
>>made sense as well. If we don't include the
>>big daddy, I would like to see some other event
>>with multiple races included to keep the series
>>balanced between longer distance races and
>>round the buoys action. The wheeler regatta is one option.
>>>>2nd Half Opener:
>>>>Not my favorite race, but I could be convinced
>>include it and even show up. it would be nice
>>to have something happening in July. We seem
>>to have had good turnout historically. One
>>additional concern is that it seems Nationals
>>might be within one weekend of it next year, if not a direct conflict.
>>>>Throwouts:
>>>>Perhaps we should have 5 races in the series
>>and give one throwout? That would let everyone
>>skip there least favorite race and give a
>>little more flexibility for the inevitable scheduling conflict.
>>>>With that in mind I would propose:
>>>>Big Daddy (course racing on Saturday only)
>>Double Handed Lightship
>>Vallejo Race
>>2nd Half Opener (distance race on Saturday only)
>>Great Pumpkin (course racing on Saturday only)
>>>>>>With regards to what pat said about the light
>>turnout. I feel that in order to make this
>>happen we really do need a minimum of 5 boats
>>on the line. i think that if a race is going
>>to attract less than 5 it should be
>>canceled. Hopefully this would put the screws
>>on people to really be serious about their
>>commitment to show up or not. I'm open to
>>other ideas here, but I really hated showing up
>>to race against 1 or 2 other boats last year.
>>>>I like the idea of a shorthanded series, but am
>>personally not willing to put it
>>together. From prior experiences fleet moral
>>suffers when people are spread too thin and
>>turnout is low. I'd like to see a successful
>>spinnaker series before I extended to try to
>>put together an additional even. However, I
>>would certainly support anybody who wanted to
>>take it on themself. it is something that tom
>>mcintyre and tom montoya over in alameda might be interested in.
>>>>Pete
>>>>>>On 8/16/07, Nancy & Pat Broderick
>><<mailto:broderic at sonic.net>broderic at sonic.net> wrote:
>>Michael,
>>>>There are several other races that are not SSS which might be
>>interesting and very possible doublehanded possibilities in our boats:
>>>>1. Rites of Spring. Some Santanas already sail this OYC early-in-the
>>season doublehanded race - usually in March.
>>2. Jazz Cup. One-way trip on Labor Day to Benecia. Much like the
>>Vallejo races; you just don't turn left into the Mare Island Strait.
>>>>However, I'm reluctant to get too much on the racing table. While a
>>lot of boats have signed up for this year's YRA series, only a few
>>show up to race. Last year the Santanas barely made the 5-boat
>>minimum to stay qualified for YRA One Design racing. It isn't the
>>number of boats that sign up initially; it's the number that sail 50%
>>or more of the fleet-scheduled YRA Championship races the fleet's
>>signed up for. That's how a boat "qualifies" and YRA requires a
>>minimum of 5 boats "qualifying" in order be a One Design Fleet. I
>>don't think this 5-boat "qualified" requirement is clearly
>>understood. It isn't the number who sign up; it's the number that
>>actually race.
>>>>YRA is talking about setting up an HDA "small boat" division that
>>would compete on ODCA closed course (round the buoys) races in order
>>to keep older 22 - 27 (Ranger 23 through something like Catalina 27)
>>foot boats sailing in YRA. If the Santanas don't "qualify" 5 boats,
>>that's probably where they'll end up if they want to sail YRA races.
>>>>It's similar to what ODCA has done for the "heavy 30s" - Newport 30,
>>Cal 29, Cat 30 (PHRF 180) fleets whose participation fell below the
>>minimum 5-boat requirement. The HDA has
>>the "SF X¿!x*(ÿÿÿÿlZb 30 Fleet" that
>>provides the same thing for boats rating around PHRF 135.
>>>>Often the Santana spinnaker races are also very light. While these
>>races don't count either toward the YRA Championship (the Santana 22
>>"white sail" races) nor toward "qualifying" for YRA purposes (only
>>races counted toward YRA championship points count), Race Committees
>>are understandably upset when only one or two - or none - show up to
>>race - either for white sail or spinnaker races.
>>>>Pat
>>>>>>>>On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Michael Andrews - MTC wrote:
>>>> > Really good input Pat. I wasn't aware that there were so many
>> > opportunities to race short handed in the Bay but, now knowing there
>> > are, I would like to see a short handed series made up of just
>> > those in
>> > the Bay races.
>> >
>> > Michael
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