I would recommend Joe Rogers as surveyor from Santa Cruz
On Dec 30, 2008, at 12:00 PM, tuna-request at myfleet.org wrote:
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>> 1. Re: Transom help, Tuna-knowledgeable surveyor (Jan Grygier)
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> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:48:26 -0800
> From: "Jan Grygier" <hydrophilos at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Transom help, Tuna-knowledgeable surveyor
> To: "'Nancy & Pat Broderick'" <broderic at sonic.net>,
> <santana22.com at gregbiggers.com>
> Cc: tuna at myfleet.org> Message-ID: <BF563340101C4635ACE3B0EDB8986942 at DellTower>
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>> Hi Greg,
> I agree with Pat about model A (not a collision just long-term
> separation),
> but I have a feeling model B might not be as bad as he says -
> though maybe
> that's wishful thinking, since my boat looks similar. Marine
> plywood can
> take a lot of abuse before it loses strength; and if the plywood is
> OK but
> the tabbing is separating, I'm not actually sure that would hurt
> you that
> much.
>> Good luck finding a surveyor (maybe our class rigger Steve Seals
> has some
> ideas). Let us know if/when you find one, perhaps somebody wants to
> become
> the "class surveyor" (at least in one geographic area) and put a
> shingle up
> on our website... I would definitely go for the in-water plus 10
> minutes on
> a hoist version, just ask Clyde Neisen about how much pain blisters
> etc can
> cause (he basically scrapped the first boat he bought and got
> another one,
> it was so much work).
>> And I also agree with Pat not to get anxious if A or B aren't cost-
> effective
> enough; your Tuna will come to you, just may take a few more weeks
> or maybe
> months.
>>> Jan Grygier, PhD
>hydrophilos at earthlink.net>http://home.earthlink.net/~hydrophilos/spigot.html>> Btw cool email address - does that put all tuna-related replies
> into your
> Tuna mailbox or folder?
>>> -----Original Message-----
> From: tuna-bounces at myfleet.org [mailto:tuna-bounces at myfleet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Nancy & Pat Broderick
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 10:14 PM
> To: santana22.com at gregbiggers.com> Cc: tuna at myfleet.org> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Transom help, Tuna-knowledgeable surveyor
>> Greg,
>> Model A doesn't look too bad, actually. It doesn't look like a
> collision -
> more like normal (well, "normal" for a 40-year old boat with a plywood
> transom) lack of upkeep. Have you crawled down under the cockpit
> with the
> hammer and tapped, tapped? Ditto to the outside
> - all the way down.
>> If it sounds solid, you need to refinish/seal the top of the
> transom and
> you're pretty much good to go with that problem. What about the
> rest of
> this boat?
>> Model B looks like a potential major project. If the plywood is
> okay, at
> the very least you have to grind off the tabbing and re-do it. Not
> the most
> major job, but a dirty, itchy one. If the wood's punky, you have a
> major
> replacement ahead of you. The interior was built before they
> attached the
> deck/cabin. Now you have to get the old bulkhead out - and it's
> attached to
> the forepeak on one side and
> the table structures on the other. Then you have to grind off all
> the tabbing to the hull, get the new bulkhead squeezed through the
> hatch,
> into place, and re-tabbed. Whew! I don't think the hi-fi system
> is worth
> it.
>> There must be better looking Tunas around somewhere. I have a
> trailer you
> can borrow for transport if you find one out of area and need to
> drag it in.
>> If a "great one escaped" recently, another is likely going to show
> up soon.
> Don't be anxious. And, yes, a hoist out is a must!
>> Pat Broderick
> former "Elaine"
>>> On Dec 28, 2008, at 9:48 PM, gb wrote:
>>> Happy Holidays everyone,
>>>> I am still on my quest to find that right boat that is raceworthy but
>> also nice enough to cruise a bit w/ the family.
>>>> Seen some ok boats lately (and let a great one escape while I was out
>> of town).
>>>> A few questions for you. 2 boats I have seen lately have different
>> issues, and I am trying to figure out how big a deal they are. Both
>> are early 70s models.
>>>> 1) Model A is pretty solid but has some cracks at various places in
>> the top of the transom. Seems like it must have been the victim of a
>> collision.
>>>> Any thoughts on this and, if needs addressing, how much work it is to
>> reinforce the transom?
>>>> Pictures of Model A are here:
>>http://picasaweb.google.com/gbincoming/S22_Transom?>> authkey=0lVBQ823_ms&feat=directlink
>>>> 2) Model B is nice cuz it has a bow pulpit and pushpit/stern pulpit.
>> The issue I worry about on this boat is potential rot and separation
>> from leaking chainplates over the years. When I tapped on the tabbing
>> of glass to bulkhead, it didn't sound quite right.
>>>> Pictures of Model B here:
>>http://picasaweb.google.com/gbincoming/S22570?authkey=ibRn->> QLngm0&feat=directlink
>>>> 3) I am leaning toward doing either an in-water survey or an in-water
>> plus 10 minutes on the club hoist (to see the keel & fairing) type
>> survey. Do any of you know a surveyor you would recommend that knows
>> Tunas?
>>>> Thanks a bunch, and, as before, if the economy or an opportunity to
>> change boats leaves you ready to part w/ your Santana 22 around
>> the SF
>> bay, Santa Cruz, or Monterey, please let me know ASAP!!!
>>>> Hope to join you on the water eventually...
>>>> Greg
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