[Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form

Brian Ledbetter brianl at seattleyachtclub.org
Thu Mar 27 13:37:45 EDT 2008

The Entry Form and other information is now more clearly organized at:


Looking forward to seeing how many V-15's we can get to the regatta!




Brian Ledbetter

Sailing Director, Seattle Yacht Club

BrianL at SeattleYachtClub.org



From: pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org [mailto:pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org] On
Behalf Of Trunkey, Steve - CKJH
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:12 AM
To: Peter Shorett; DB; PNW_V15
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form


It seems maybe some further clarification might be useful.  My comments are
not negativity, but rather just reflecting where our program and several
others are at this point.  We are not affiliated with any yacht club or
other wealthy organization, and our kids are typically raw beginners who
have come to our program as teenagers with no previous sailing experience.
So, a student who stepped into a boat for the first time in their lives
three weeks ago doesn't have National Championships, US Sailing membership,
and competing against year round programs with paid coaches in mind.


I think it's great that those opportunities are out there for kids, but we
aren't there yet.


However, I think we should want to expand the sport so that kids like ours
might ultimately get there - maybe at the collegiate level and then someday
buying their own boat, etc.  That means opening the "higher level of
competition" up to all kids.  Maybe if we really want them to have
membership in US Sailing we could make the total fee for this regatta $25
for high school sailors and they could come away with both the experience of
high level competition and membership in the organization.  Know also that
operating a community based sailing program takes hundreds of hours already,
so every added complication such as raising funds for one regatta,
represents a formidable challenge.


From: Peter Shorett [mailto:pshorett at gvakm.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:15 AM
To: Trunkey, Steve - CKJH; DB; PNW_V15
Subject: RE: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form

I am a little surprised that there is such negative discussion on this.  


The reason for encouraging teams to attend these types of events is to raise
the level of competition - to expose sailors to a higher level of
competition.  Last year, we heavily promoted the V15 PCC's in the Gorge.
There were 20+ boats, with some of the best sailors in the area competing
and teams actually came up from California.


Having been to several HS National Championships myself and watching our
kids generally get clobbered (that's putting in mildly), teams in the NW
District have to expand their sailing horizons' from their local level.
There have been many great sailors pass through the ranks of the NW
District; they have all become great sailors by participating in regattas
that take them to the next level like NOOD (formerly SOCKS), Sears Cup,
Bemis, Laser NA's, etc.  


Most all of your competition (every other HS outside of the NW District) is
doing this and more.  Many schools have full time paid coaches, year round
sailing conditions and top cabin competition.  Certainly the NW District
sailing program is much better off in terms of regatta scheduling and
clinics that it was 5 years ago, but if teams in the District HS do not
continue to embrace a greater playing field, then development of the program
will falter.


If its about $$'s, then consider contacting your local yacht club for
sponsorship (even if they are not a member), contact the Sailing Foundation
(I bet they would be willing to sponsor a kid who finds the cost of entry
prohibitive) or better yet, put it in your HS Sailing team budget.


Hope to see you all there.  And if you need a boat to sail, let me or Burke
know, he has a trailer load of them.





From: pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org [mailto:pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org] On
Behalf Of Trunkey, Steve - CKJH
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:45 AM
To: DB; PNW_V15
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form


I believe Matt is correct. Speaking for the Central Kitsap Team, I would
guess the difference would be somewhere between 0 and 6 boats from our
program.  If it's expensive and requires membership in US Sailing we likely
won't be there.  CK, like many of the high school programs, is a community
based program.  We have kids from modest upbringings that found even the $79
registration fee for 3 months of sailing expensive.  Some of these kids will
catch the sailing fever, become successful working adults, and eventually
become leaders in the sailing community.  For now, we should be drawing them
into the sport and making it accessible.

As for the social ticket - it looks like a good deal for me personally, but
I'm not likely to take high school kids into the typical yacht club social
setting.  We would race and head home and eat from our brown bags.

-----Original Message-----
From: pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org [ <mailto:pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org>
mailto:pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org] On Behalf Of hebardmf at myuw.net
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:18 PM
To: Peter Shorett
Cc: pnw-v15 at myfleet.org
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form

Uhh, did we need to be members to US Sailing for SOCKS last year? What about
the CGRA One-Design? CYC Seattle One-Design? Turkey Bowl? If we did, I guess
I owe someone some $$.... But all that is beside the point. Here's the real
issue for "the fleet":

Can the V15 fleet get 6 boats/skippers registered, who are members of US
Sailing, prior to April 28th (after the 28th there is a $50 late fee so it
becomes ridiculously expensive then) WITHOUT having to rely on High School
Sailors to be some of the 6 boats? If the V15 fleet can, then MAYBE the V15s
will have there own start. Or, maybe V15s will start with another fleet
(Tasars) and be scored separately. If the V15ers want to be assured their
own start, we need 10 boats registered. (This is all from the NOR, paragraph
3.2). So, try to name 10 V15ers who will do this regatta WITHOUT relying on
the High School fleets (Orcas, Port Townsend, Central Kitsap, Bainbridge,
Friday Harbor, Port Angeles)...

1) Dean B.
2) Peter S.
3) Zig B.

Kinda hard, isn't it? I like Dean's approach: make it cheaper, somehow, for
the High School kids. That may make it more likely a fleet will form in
time. I frankly, don't know how many High School Sailors (i.e., those
involved in the NWISA circuit) are members of US Sailing. Maybe there are
more than I know, but I doubt it. I do know that it will be a tough sell to
get some families to fork over $25 for the Youth US Sailing membership on
top of an already hefty $75 entry fee for a TWO day event. (Read the NOR,
centerboard fleets are Sat. & Sun.).

This fleet relies on the High School crowd. We should advocate for them as



From: pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org [mailto:pnw-v15-bounces at myfleet.org] On
Behalf Of DB
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:11 AM
To: PNW_V15
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form

According to the NOR, and dialogs I've had with race organizers, the 2 day
format from SOCKS was going to be retained for the centerboard classes in
order to facilitate HS sailor schedules.  Only keelboats would sail for 3
days.  The fact that the prices don't reflect this fact strikes me as an



----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Lyle <jim at lylegroup.com>
To: DB <bergstro2 at yahoo.com>; PNW_V15 <pnw-v15 at myfleet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form


I understand your concern. However, a youth US Sailing membership is only
$25 and only the skipper needs to apply. If the youth wants to sail in any
US Sailing championship, including the local Junior Olympics in August they
will need to be members. For a three day event that makes the entry and
membership $100. No one would complain about 3 days of golf costing that
much. It's certainly cheaper than 3 days of snow boarding. I'm not sure how
you give 2 day pricing for a 3 day event.

I'm not involved with planning the event at all. But 3 days on the water is
not cheap and then throw in social events and $33 a day doesn't seem
unreasonable to me. I find it hard to go out to dinner for $33 per person
these days.

I'm completely with you that cost is something we need to work on to promote
our sport. But I'm afraid the days of $25 regattas have past - right along
with gas under $2/gallon.

Jim Lyle

----- Original Message ----
From: DB <bergstro2 at yahoo.com>
To: PNW_V15 <pnw-v15 at myfleet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:45:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form

I would like to explore alternative pricing.  I am drafting a letter to the
organizers expressing our concerns.  I would like to offer pricing
alternatives.  There are a few points that are particularly troublesome.

1. US Sailing membership - At most regattas, US Sailing membership is not
mandatory and can be applied towards a discount for those with membership.
Here it works the other way around and introduces considerable expense.
2. 2 day pricing - It looks like the pricing schedule is for a 3 day event.
3. Youth pricing - I would like to see a discount for youth and HS sailors.

I'm going to send it off tomorrow morning.  If you have any suggestions, I
would like to hear them.


----- Original Message ----
From: B&B Thomas <woodsong7 at centurytel.net>
To: hebardmf at myuw.net; DB <bergstro2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: PNW_V15 <pnw-v15 at myfleet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:09:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form

That kind of entry fee  for a two day regatta will make it very difficult 
for high school sailors to participate
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hebardmf at myuw.net>
To: "DB" <bergstro2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "PNW_V15" <pnw-v15 at myfleet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Pnw-v15] Seattle NOOD Entry Form

> Hmm.  So the regatta entry fee for me is $135.00 b/c I'm not a US Sailing 
> member....yet.  Great.
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, DB wrote:
>> Attached is the entry form for the Seattle NOOD.  Can't wait to see 
>> everybody out there.
>> Dean
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