making light teams carry weight seems like crap to me..maybe we should make
heavy teams carry weight on the low side in heavy air...to make things fair.
On 9/12/06, Natasha Baker <natashabaker at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> The Bay Area Babes are back from the Hinman! We'd like to thank eveyone
> who helped us prepare to compete- especially Kevin Richards, Holt Condon,
> Dave Kenny, Sarah Deeds, Alex Mountjoy and Blaine Pedlow! We had to carry
> 150 pounds of water to make the weight minimum, didn't get last and as it
> turns out were the first all-womens team at the Hinman. Results, cool
> photos and some podcasts are at
>>http://www.ussailing.org/championships/adult/ustrc/>> We also learned that there's a lot of support at the national level to get
> and keep women in team racing. So the Bay Area Babes will be putting
> together a standing womens' team for some upcoming team race events over the
> next year. Please email me with your contact info/whether you want to
> skipper or crew/your size/and general team race experience. There is also
> an interest at the national level in keeping the west coast team racing
> going so please contact me, Kevin or Holt if you want to be added to the
> team racing list emails as we will need people to practice against!!!
>> Thanks again for everyone's help!
>> Natasha Baker
>> (415) 596-0143
>>>>>> ------------------------------
> From: *"sally madsen" <sailsally at gmail.com>*
> To: *sfv15 at myfleet.org*
> Subject: *Re: Rules Question, Answered*
> Date: *Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:54:34 -0700*
>> Here's another look at the windward mark situation, courtesy of Jim.
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jim Barkow <
>jim.barkow at gmail.com> >
> Date: Jul 28, 2006 4:03 PM
> Subject: Duck, Duck...???
> To: vanguard15 at list.sailingsource.com>>> Room to Duck?
>>> Guys- wanted to follow up on the discussion last night about boats coming
> into the starboard tack boats at the mark.
>> This issue in question: Room to tack vs Room to Duck? who has rights???
>> *Rules
> Questions:
> *
>> *Simple Answer: *If there
> is overlap from the Port Windward to Port Leeward boat, then the PW
> boat has room to duck. If there is no overlap, then PL can call for
> room to tack and tack, as long as there is enough time for the PW to
> keep clear, by tacking or ducking. If the PL boat ducks without any
> hail, they still have to give room for the PW to duck as well. * *
>> Logic: (or lack there of)
>> 18.2 (a) Giving Room; Keeping Clear
> OVERLAPPED – BASIC RULE
> a. When boats are overlapped the outside boat (PL) shall give the inside
> boat
> (PW) room to round or pass the mark or obstruction, and if the inside
> boat has
> right of way the outside boat shall also keep clear. Other parts of rule
> 18
> contain exceptions to this rule.
> *
> Then we look to the definition of Obstruction:
> Obstruction* An object that a boat could not pass without changing
> course
> substantially, if she were sailing directly towards it and one of her hull
> lengths from it.
> An object that can be safely passed on only one side and an area so
> designated by the
> sailing instructions are also obstructions. However, a boat racing is not
> an obstruction
> to other boats unless they are required to keep clear of her (as in the
> case of Port Starboard), give her room or, if rule 21
> applies, avoid her.
>> If no Overlap:
> - Rule 15 requires the boat that acquires right-of-way to give enough
> space to the other boat to act promptly in a seamanlike way in the
> prevailing conditions to keep clear.
>>>>>>> JB Editorial:
> First of all, it's never
> realistic to say 'stop coming in from port'. Our courses are short, and
> getting shorter. We have 20 boats on the line and the starboard most
> starting boat tends to hold onto the controlling position as long as
> possible- especially because our wind has consistently been 5-7 degrees
> farther south than normal. So inevitably, a first row starter on the
> port end is almost always going to be 2 tacking the 1st beat. It's not
> their fault- no one ever wants to get into that situation- it happens.
> (It's also been strange that poor starts have been rewarded with the
> chance to do an early duck of the starboard boats and get out the right
> side early- I think Teddy and AJ lived off that last night...)
>> Things to Sail by:
> 1) avoid collisions
> 2) standard Hails:
> "Room to Duck" - hailed by PW boat when overlapped and needing to Duck.
> Assumes there is overlap.
> "Starboard Boat- Tacking"- hailed by PL boat with ample time for PW to
> react
> "No- NEED TO TACK!!!!" -
> hailed by PL boat, regardless of rights, to avoid collision due to
> boats PW does not see, wind shift, etc... this hail trumps all.
>> remember, these boats can tack in about 1-2 seconds, and less than a
> boat length- on a average night. In this situation, in my opinion,
> 'slow tacks' are not a reasonable excuse.
>> 2) be vocal, early and
> often. If you see the situation happening, start
> talking early. If you were fouled, be vocal and clear, never personal.
> The person to blame usually becomes clear. If there are boat(s) above
> you, you must hail early so everyone knows you have to tack.
>> 3) if you are starboard, think about 'defending your lane' (not
> hunting) to give yourself a little gap. What this means is, if you are
> are close to layline, and you see a port boat approaching that is going
> to tack short or lee bow you, bear off slightly- 5-10 degrees or so, to
> build up speed. 2 things will happen- either the port boat will think
> that you angle is poor and he can't tack there to still make it so
> he'll duck you, or if he does tack, you will have speed and angle to
> separate yourself from them and sail around them. Very effective if
> there are more boats on port, inside.
>> 4) angles change quickly at the weather mark. The last 100 yards is the
> shiftiest part of our course by far- it ridiculous at times how fast
> the angles change. Don't assume you can cross someone. But remember this
> rule:
> *Rule 16.1*: When a right-of-way boat changes course, she shall
> give the other boat room to keep clear.
> *Rule 16.2*: In addition, when after the starting signal a port-tack
> boat is keeping clear by sailing to pass astern of a starboard-tack
> boat,
> the starboard-tack boat shall not change course if as a result the
> port-tack
> boat would immediately need to change course to continue keeping
> clear.
> This clears a port boat that was crossing a starboard boat in the event
> of sudden wind shift and requires the starboard boat to keep clear.
> <http://www.ussailing.org/member/library/urrs20041110.htm>
> <http://www.ussailing.org/member/library/urrs20041110.htm>
>http://www.ussailing.org/member/library/urrs20041110.htm>> - so you can't head up into a boat in a huge shift without giving them
> room to be clear.
>>> Other rules of Interest:
> <http://www.ussailing.org/member/library/urrs20041110.htm>Tacking inside
> the 2 boat circle:
>http://www.ussailing.org/championships/youth/youthchamp//2004/da_rulz.asp>>> Overview w diagrams:
>http://www.ussailing.org/championships/youth/youthchamp//2002/graphics/dp2.gif>>>> How well do you know the rules?
>http://www.speedandsmarts.com/Rules_Test/87_Rules_IQ_Test.pdf>>> Feel free to correct me if or comment as needed. See ya all this
> weekend!!!
>> --
> Jim Barkow
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