Hi Greg,
I agree with Pat about model A (not a collision just long-term separation),
but I have a feeling model B might not be as bad as he says - though maybe
that's wishful thinking, since my boat looks similar. Marine plywood can
take a lot of abuse before it loses strength; and if the plywood is OK but
the tabbing is separating, I'm not actually sure that would hurt you that
much.
Good luck finding a surveyor (maybe our class rigger Steve Seals has some
ideas). Let us know if/when you find one, perhaps somebody wants to become
the "class surveyor" (at least in one geographic area) and put a shingle up
on our website... I would definitely go for the in-water plus 10 minutes on
a hoist version, just ask Clyde Neisen about how much pain blisters etc can
cause (he basically scrapped the first boat he bought and got another one,
it was so much work).
And I also agree with Pat not to get anxious if A or B aren't cost-effective
enough; your Tuna will come to you, just may take a few more weeks or maybe
months.
Jan Grygier, PhD
hydrophilos at earthlink.nethttp://home.earthlink.net/~hydrophilos/spigot.html
Btw cool email address - does that put all tuna-related replies into your
Tuna mailbox or folder?
-----Original Message-----
From: tuna-bounces at myfleet.org [mailto:tuna-bounces at myfleet.org] On Behalf
Of Nancy & Pat Broderick
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 10:14 PM
To: santana22.com at gregbiggers.com
Cc: tuna at myfleet.org
Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Transom help, Tuna-knowledgeable surveyor
Greg,
Model A doesn't look too bad, actually. It doesn't look like a collision -
more like normal (well, "normal" for a 40-year old boat with a plywood
transom) lack of upkeep. Have you crawled down under the cockpit with the
hammer and tapped, tapped? Ditto to the outside
- all the way down.
If it sounds solid, you need to refinish/seal the top of the transom and
you're pretty much good to go with that problem. What about the rest of
this boat?
Model B looks like a potential major project. If the plywood is okay, at
the very least you have to grind off the tabbing and re-do it. Not the most
major job, but a dirty, itchy one. If the wood's punky, you have a major
replacement ahead of you. The interior was built before they attached the
deck/cabin. Now you have to get the old bulkhead out - and it's attached to
the forepeak on one side and
the table structures on the other. Then you have to grind off all
the tabbing to the hull, get the new bulkhead squeezed through the hatch,
into place, and re-tabbed. Whew! I don't think the hi-fi system is worth
it.
There must be better looking Tunas around somewhere. I have a trailer you
can borrow for transport if you find one out of area and need to drag it in.
If a "great one escaped" recently, another is likely going to show up soon.
Don't be anxious. And, yes, a hoist out is a must!
Pat Broderick
former "Elaine"
On Dec 28, 2008, at 9:48 PM, gb wrote:
> Happy Holidays everyone,
>> I am still on my quest to find that right boat that is raceworthy but
> also nice enough to cruise a bit w/ the family.
>> Seen some ok boats lately (and let a great one escape while I was out
> of town).
>> A few questions for you. 2 boats I have seen lately have different
> issues, and I am trying to figure out how big a deal they are. Both
> are early 70s models.
>> 1) Model A is pretty solid but has some cracks at various places in
> the top of the transom. Seems like it must have been the victim of a
> collision.
>> Any thoughts on this and, if needs addressing, how much work it is to
> reinforce the transom?
>> Pictures of Model A are here:
>http://picasaweb.google.com/gbincoming/S22_Transom?> authkey=0lVBQ823_ms&feat=directlink
>> 2) Model B is nice cuz it has a bow pulpit and pushpit/stern pulpit.
> The issue I worry about on this boat is potential rot and separation
> from leaking chainplates over the years. When I tapped on the tabbing
> of glass to bulkhead, it didn't sound quite right.
>> Pictures of Model B here:
>http://picasaweb.google.com/gbincoming/S22570?authkey=ibRn-> QLngm0&feat=directlink
>> 3) I am leaning toward doing either an in-water survey or an in-water
> plus 10 minutes on the club hoist (to see the keel & fairing) type
> survey. Do any of you know a surveyor you would recommend that knows
> Tunas?
>> Thanks a bunch, and, as before, if the economy or an opportunity to
> change boats leaves you ready to part w/ your Santana 22 around the SF
> bay, Santa Cruz, or Monterey, please let me know ASAP!!!
>> Hope to join you on the water eventually...
>> Greg
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