Mark Langer Captain of the S-22 Hot Tuna brought up the Fact that there is a very large discrepancy between the weights going from boat to boat at the Santana 22 National meeting this past July in Santa Cruz.
Since stock weights of Santana 22's can vary by several 100 lbs. Depending on how the boats were constructed. Mark proposed that instead of adding or subtracting lead or other object for engine, toilet and other weights.
Each S-22 should be measured and reported to the Bylaws or appropriate committee so we can equalize this weight issue once and for all. Find a common standard of S-22 weight. Boats that are below this assigned weight must add the necessary ballast. Boats that are over they will not be required to do anything. Except perhaps to put their boat on a diet in order to become more competitive.
Sounds fair to me.
Also at this years Santana 22 Nationals in Santa Cruz the upcoming 2013 Santana 22 nationals was discussed but I cannot remember if there was a date or location. Does anyone have this info so I can put it on my calendar?
On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:14 AM, tuna-request at myfleet.org wrote:
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> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:22:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Kennedy <michaelkennedy05 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Honda 2HP Motor for sale
> To: Derek Meyer <djmeyer16 at yahoo.com>, Ted Crum
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>> Good point.? Motor plus fuel plus corrector weight must be between 50-125lbs.?
> The problem with relying on the fuel weight (i.e. keeping enough fuel to satisfy
> the rule) is that it has to be in the aft lazarette which isn't helpful as
> ballast.
>> And yes, I like the extra hp too, motoring all the way from the Estuary (until
> we get out to the racecourse and have to do the motor dance)
>>>>> ________________________________
> From: Derek Meyer <djmeyer16 at yahoo.com>
> To: Michael Kennedy <michaelkennedy05 at yahoo.com>; Ted Crum
> <tedcrum at berkeley.edu>; "tuna at myfleet.org" <tuna at myfleet.org>
> Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 10:05:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Honda 2HP Motor for sale
>>> I believe it is motor, fuel and ballast.? So if you were to carry about 4
> gallons of fuel, it would be sufficient.
>> I agree with Michael though, moving a 60 lb motor can be onerous, especially in
> a heavy breeze.? However, the extra hp has gotten me out of some sticky
> situations, where I was stuck in a 4+ knot ebb by the golden gate with no wind.
>> -Derek
> Aquila 28465
>>>>> ________________________________
> From: Michael Kennedy <michaelkennedy05 at yahoo.com>
> To: Ted Crum <tedcrum at berkeley.edu>; tuna at myfleet.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Honda 2HP Motor for sale
>>> Yes; class rules say the motor (and corrector weights) have to be minimum 50
> pounds.? So a 28 pound motor would need 22 punds of lead mounted down below
> (best place would be at the base of the bulkhead below the base of the mast
> compression post)
>> As a guy who has to wrestle a 50lb 6 horse up and down the companionway each
> time, a light motor plus a corrector weight sounds pretty good.
>> Mike Kennedy
> Pariah #146
>>>>> ________________________________
> From: Ted Crum <tedcrum at berkeley.edu>
> To: tuna at myfleet.org> Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 9:48:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Honda 2HP Motor for sale
>> Do you have to carry ballast with a light motor?
>> -tc
>> At 09:31 AM 9/18/2012, JMcK wrote:
>> Posting for a former Santana 22 owner. Please contact her directly
>> if interested:
>>>> Honda Marine Long Shaft Outboard 2 HP Motor for Sale.? Great for
>> Racing your Santana 22! Only 28 lbs.
>>>> $600, New $1,291 (Manufactures suggested retail price)
>>>>>> Only used about a dozen times before I sold my Santana 22.? The
>> motor can be started in the water on the transom of my old Santana
>> (I sold it to a friend) so you can see that it is in good working
>> order.? It just uses gasoline (no mixing).? 4-Stroke OHV, 1
>> Cylinder/2 Valves, Transom Height, Long shaft, 08mm/20 inches.? See
>> more details with links below.
>>>> <http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>
>> <http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>>>>>>http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>>>>>> <http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>
>> Please e-mail Shawn @
>> <mailto:shawntakesaction at gmail.com>shawntakesaction at gmail.com? or
>> call <tel:510-682-7348>510-682-7348 if you are interested.
>>>> <http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>
>> <http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>
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> From: Michael Andrews <Michael.Andrews at portsamerica.com>
> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Honda 2HP Motor for sale
> To: 'Michael Kennedy' <michaelkennedy05 at yahoo.com>, Derek Meyer
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>> My 3.5 Mercury, which is smaller than the 4 to 6 hp models has proved a nice compromise between power and weight. Though for a long haul I still use the 6 because it is more powerful and is line / external tank fed.
>> Michael Andrews
>> From: tuna-bounces at myfleet.org [mailto:tuna-bounces at myfleet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:23 AM
> To: Derek Meyer; Ted Crum; tuna at myfleet.org> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Honda 2HP Motor for sale
>> Good point. Motor plus fuel plus corrector weight must be between 50-125lbs. The problem with relying on the fuel weight (i.e. keeping enough fuel to satisfy the rule) is that it has to be in the aft lazarette which isn't helpful as ballast.
>> And yes, I like the extra hp too, motoring all the way from the Estuary (until we get out to the racecourse and have to do the motor dance)
>> ________________________________
> From: Derek Meyer <djmeyer16 at yahoo.com<mailto:djmeyer16 at yahoo.com>>
> To: Michael Kennedy <michaelkennedy05 at yahoo.com<mailto:michaelkennedy05 at yahoo.com>>; Ted Crum <tedcrum at berkeley.edu<mailto:tedcrum at berkeley.edu>>; "tuna at myfleet.org<mailto:tuna at myfleet.org>" <tuna at myfleet.org<mailto:tuna at myfleet.org>>
> Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 10:05:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Honda 2HP Motor for sale
> I believe it is motor, fuel and ballast. So if you were to carry about 4 gallons of fuel, it would be sufficient.
>> I agree with Michael though, moving a 60 lb motor can be onerous, especially in a heavy breeze. However, the extra hp has gotten me out of some sticky situations, where I was stuck in a 4+ knot ebb by the golden gate with no wind.
>> -Derek
> Aquila 28465
>>> ________________________________
> From: Michael Kennedy <michaelkennedy05 at yahoo.com<mailto:michaelkennedy05 at yahoo.com>>
> To: Ted Crum <tedcrum at berkeley.edu<mailto:tedcrum at berkeley.edu>>; tuna at myfleet.org<mailto:tuna at myfleet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Honda 2HP Motor for sale
>> Yes; class rules say the motor (and corrector weights) have to be minimum 50 pounds. So a 28 pound motor would need 22 punds of lead mounted down below (best place would be at the base of the bulkhead below the base of the mast compression post)
>> As a guy who has to wrestle a 50lb 6 horse up and down the companionway each time, a light motor plus a corrector weight sounds pretty good.
>> Mike Kennedy
> Pariah #146
>> ________________________________
> From: Ted Crum <tedcrum at berkeley.edu<mailto:tedcrum at berkeley.edu>>
> To: tuna at myfleet.org<mailto:tuna at myfleet.org>
> Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 9:48:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Santana 22] Honda 2HP Motor for sale
>> Do you have to carry ballast with a light motor?
>> -tc
>> At 09:31 AM 9/18/2012, JMcK wrote:
>> Posting for a former Santana 22 owner. Please contact her directly
>> if interested:
>>>> Honda Marine Long Shaft Outboard 2 HP Motor for Sale. Great for
>> Racing your Santana 22! Only 28 lbs.
>>>> $600, New $1,291 (Manufactures suggested retail price)
>>>>>> Only used about a dozen times before I sold my Santana 22. The
>> motor can be started in the water on the transom of my old Santana
>> (I sold it to a friend) so you can see that it is in good working
>> order. It just uses gasoline (no mixing). 4-Stroke OHV, 1
>> Cylinder/2 Valves, Transom Height, Long shaft, 08mm/20 inches. See
>> more details with links below.
>>>> <http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>
>> <http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>>>>http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>>>>>> <http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>
>> Please e-mail Shawn @
>> <mailto:shawntakesaction at gmail.com<mailto:shawntakesaction at gmail.com>>shawntakesaction at gmail.com<mailto:shawntakesaction at gmail.com> or
>> call <tel:510-682-7348>510-682-7348 if you are interested.
>>>> <http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>
>> <http://marine.honda.com/outboards/motor-detail/BF2>
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